Date/Time,Participant,Message
4/16/2008 6:51,Harvard_Alex,Hi
4/16/2008 19:15,HARVARD_DeanDahleh,hi rose are you testing the system too
4/16/2008 19:15,Harvard_Rose,"Hello Dr. Dahleh! Yes, I am. :)"
4/16/2008 19:15,HARVARD_DeanDahleh,I am going to log off and I will see you in about 45 minutes Thanks for joining us
4/16/2008 19:16,Harvard_Rose,Okay. Glad to be of help...?
4/16/2008 19:17,Harvard_Rose,*is testing font colors?!*
4/16/2008 19:17,Harvard_Rose,...
4/16/2008 19:26,HARVARD_MichaelR,hello
4/16/2008 19:54,HARVARD_MichaelR,Hello and welcome to the web chat about Harvard's programs in engineering and applied sciences ...
4/16/2008 19:55,HARVARD_DeanDahleh,Hi all
4/16/2008 19:55,HARVARD_MichaelR,Hey guys ...
4/16/2008 19:55,Harvard_Rose,Hello. :)
4/16/2008 19:55,HARVARD_MichaelR,Rose  - did you survive your midterms?
4/16/2008 19:55,Harvard_Rose,"No? I'm currently dead right now. Haha, actually.... Math on Monday. :/"
4/16/2008 19:55,HARVARD_MichaelR,Hey Marie ...
4/16/2008 19:55,HARVARD_MichaelR,Good luck ...
4/16/2008 19:55,Harvard_Rose,Thank you! ^_^
4/16/2008 19:56,HARVARD_MichaelR,Rose - did you figure out your summer plans?
4/16/2008 19:56,HARVARD_DeanDahleh,Hi Micahel I hope you have coffee?
4/16/2008 19:56,Harvard_Rose,"Well.... Right now it looks like I'm going to have the summer off, not doing anything."
4/16/2008 19:56,HARVARD_DeanDahleh,Is david joining us
4/16/2008 19:57,HARVARD_MichaelR,Hey Marie ... no coffee ...
4/16/2008 19:57,HARVARD_MichaelR,David was busy ...
4/16/2008 19:57,Harvard_Danielle,Hi Michael
4/16/2008 19:57,HARVARD_MichaelR,Hi Jessica ... thanks for joining the chat ... it will start to get busy in a bit
4/16/2008 19:57,Harvard_Jessica,hi michael
4/16/2008 19:58,Harvard_Rose,Welcome back?
4/16/2008 19:58,HARVARD_MichaelR,Sorry -- the system booted me out
4/16/2008 19:58,HARVARD_MichaelR,So the chat normally gets busy about 15 minutes in ...
4/16/2008 19:58,HARVARD_MichaelR,I think we had around 30-50 admits last year ...
4/16/2008 19:59,Harvard_Jessica,wow
4/16/2008 19:59,Harvard_Rose,Yikes....
4/16/2008 19:59,Harvard_Jessica,must get kind of chaotic
4/16/2008 19:59,HARVARD_MichaelR,Come on ... you guys must be great multi-taskers
4/16/2008 19:59,Harvard_Rose,"Hehe, I remember being one of those admits here last year. Got a very good impression of Harvard people. ^_^"
4/16/2008 19:59,Harvard_Jessica,ha
4/16/2008 19:59,HARVARD_MichaelR,Hey Jean ... thanks for joining us ..
4/16/2008 19:59,Harvard_Jessica,positive psych lecture tells me that multitasking is bad
4/16/2008 19:59,Harvard_Jean,hi everyone!
4/16/2008 19:59,Harvard_Rose,Hiya! ^_^
4/16/2008 19:59,HARVARD_MichaelR,Jean ... I heard you got into MIT ... !
4/16/2008 19:59,Harvard_Jessica,hi jean
4/16/2008 20:00,Harvard_Jean,"yeah, i am going there next year"
4/16/2008 20:00,HARVARD_MichaelR,Are you going to grad school in CS?
4/16/2008 20:00,Harvard_Jean,yeah
4/16/2008 20:00,HARVARD_MichaelR,Good for you!
4/16/2008 20:00,HARVARD_MichaelR,You can build even bigger robots!
4/16/2008 20:00,Harvard_Jean,thanks
4/16/2008 20:00,Harvard_Jean,haha
4/16/2008 20:00,Harvard_Jessica,lol
4/16/2008 20:00,Harvard_Jessica,personal bias for small robots
4/16/2008 20:00,HARVARD_MichaelR,Hi Vinny ...
4/16/2008 20:00,HARVARD_ProfessorManoharan,Hi Michael.  Hi everyone.
4/16/2008 20:00,HARVARD_MichaelR,How's the troop of bots coming this year?
4/16/2008 20:00,Harvard_Jean,i am not sure
4/16/2008 20:00,Harvard_Jean,i haven't been very involved
4/16/2008 20:01,Harvard_Jean,i would assume well
4/16/2008 20:01,HARVARD_MichaelR,Hey Danielle ... we are all here
4/16/2008 20:01,Harvard_Danielle,Hey Michael. I'm just here to see the start.
4/16/2008 20:01,Harvard_Danielle,I need to get some dinner
4/16/2008 20:01,Harvard_Danielle,:)
4/16/2008 20:01,HARVARD_MichaelR,I ate earlier ...
4/16/2008 20:01,Harvard_Alex,I love how its only harvard ppl on right now
4/16/2008 20:01,Harvard_Jessica,"whoa, multitasking"
4/16/2008 20:01,Harvard_Jessica,i can't deal
4/16/2008 20:01,Harvard_Jessica,:P
4/16/2008 20:01,Harvard_Jessica,hoooly crap
4/16/2008 20:01,Harvard_Jessica,that smiley is off the hook
4/16/2008 20:01,Harvard_Alex,thats quite a smiley
4/16/2008 20:01,Harvard_Alex,[img id=em-10]
4/16/2008 20:02,Harvard_Jessica,i can't even tell what emotion that's supposed to be
4/16/2008 20:02,Harvard_Jessica,an angry blush?
4/16/2008 20:02,Harvard_Alex,[img id=em-2]
4/16/2008 20:02,Harvard_Jessica,ah
4/16/2008 20:02,Harvard_Rose,Welcome back. =)
4/16/2008 20:02,Harvard_Alex,I'm not really sure
4/16/2008 20:02,Harvard_Jessica,that's easy
4/16/2008 20:02,HARVARD_MichaelR,Sorry ... I'm not sure why I keep departing.
4/16/2008 20:02,Harvard_Jessica,[img id=em-11]
4/16/2008 20:02,Harvard_Alex,so about the mtg yesterday...
4/16/2008 20:02,Harvard_Jessica,yeah
4/16/2008 20:03,Harvard_Alex,dana was trying to get some stuff out of elenia on the construction comittee
4/16/2008 20:03,HARVARD_MichaelR,Thanks to everyone for coming ... I am waiting for the admitted students to march in ...
4/16/2008 20:03,Harvard_Alex,then we can all pounce on him/her
4/16/2008 20:03,HARVARD_DeanDahleh,you mean storm
4/16/2008 20:03,Harvard_Rose,*nervous*
4/16/2008 20:03,Harvard_Jessica,i met a prefrosh monday
4/16/2008 20:03,Harvard_Jessica,it was...interesting.
4/16/2008 20:03,Harvard_Alex,and reviewing with jackie all of the latest finance stuff
4/16/2008 20:03,Harvard_Jessica,he came to es123.
4/16/2008 20:03,Harvard_Jessica,"getting ""some stuff"" out of elena?"
4/16/2008 20:03,HARVARD_MichaelR,We did get a spike in interest this year ...
4/16/2008 20:03,Harvard_Jessica,e.g....
4/16/2008 20:03,HARVARD_DeanDahleh,There have been a lot of prefrosh around this week
4/16/2008 20:04,Harvard_Alex,what is the construction comittee actually doing
4/16/2008 20:04,Harvard_Alex,how much will it cost etc
4/16/2008 20:04,Harvard_Jessica,a
4/16/2008 20:04,HARVARD_MichaelR,probably due to the announcement of the school
4/16/2008 20:04,Harvard_Jessica,h
4/16/2008 20:04,Harvard_Jessica,yes
4/16/2008 20:04,Harvard_Jessica,i want that number.
4/16/2008 20:04,Harvard_Alex,or a bias in the admissions office ?
4/16/2008 20:04,Harvard_Alex,$100 
4/16/2008 20:04,Harvard_Alex,was the claim
4/16/2008 20:04,Harvard_Jessica,what??
4/16/2008 20:04,HARVARD_MichaelR,no ... no bias ... they do not admit by concentration
4/16/2008 20:04,Harvard_Jessica,..um.
4/16/2008 20:04,Harvard_Danielle,"Ok.. I'm going to stay logged in since you seem to have connection issues.  = By the way ... you need to open the room before the prefrosh will show up,,, the Harvard pepople all have special access."
4/16/2008 20:04,Harvard_Jessica,"what's the plan, exactly?"
4/16/2008 20:04,HARVARD_MichaelR,how do i open the room
4/16/2008 20:05,Harvard_Alex,drill a well using scrap drill bits found at MIT
4/16/2008 20:05,Harvard_Danielle,Next to Kick ban View IP and GAG/UNGAG... click open room
4/16/2008 20:05,Harvard_Jessica,...um...ok...
4/16/2008 20:05,Harvard_Jessica,"still, i'd think well-digging would be a higher figure than $100"
4/16/2008 20:05,Harvard_Alex,right
4/16/2008 20:05,Harvard_Alex,anyhoo
4/16/2008 20:06,HARVARD_MichaelR,i cannot find it
4/16/2008 20:06,Harvard_Danielle,I'll do it.
4/16/2008 20:06,Harvard_Jean,ah
4/16/2008 20:06,Harvard_Danielle,Did you log in with the monitor's path or did you log in like all the chatters did?
4/16/2008 20:06,HARVARD_MichaelR,i logged in normally
4/16/2008 20:06,HARVARD_DeanDahleh,everyone is so quite
4/16/2008 20:06,Harvard_Rose,Hiiiii! ^_^
4/16/2008 20:06,Harvard_Jessica,hi!
4/16/2008 20:06,KTC,Wow. Pwople.
4/16/2008 20:06,KTC,er
4/16/2008 20:06,Harvard_Jean,hi!
4/16/2008 20:07,KTC,people.
4/16/2008 20:07,Harvard_Alex,"so we have some kind of truce with EWB so that once they approve our trip forms (due last month, taking two weeks) we'll have access to the money"
4/16/2008 20:07,Harvard_Rose,lol
4/16/2008 20:07,KTC,darn keyboard.
4/16/2008 20:07,KTC,hi.
4/16/2008 20:07,HARVARD_ProfessorZickler,Welcome.
4/16/2008 20:07,Harvard_Jessica,ok
4/16/2008 20:07,HARVARD_MichaelR,Hi everyone ... and welcome to the web chat
4/16/2008 20:07,KTC,"(my dad gets stuff in the keyboard all the time and makes it sticky, so beware of future typos)"
4/16/2008 20:07,KTC,er
4/16/2008 20:07,KTC,hi.
4/16/2008 20:07,Harvard_Alex,"no worries, you're already admitted ;-)"
4/16/2008 20:07,Harvard_Jessica,sounds good
4/16/2008 20:07,Harvard_Jessica,so we have to submit forms with all futuretrips as well?
4/16/2008 20:07,ghsfish,Hi
4/16/2008 20:07,HARVARD_MichaelR,This is the web chat for admitted students interested in engineering and applied sciences
4/16/2008 20:07,Harvard_Alex,yup
4/16/2008 20:07,Harvard_Rose,Hiya. =)
4/16/2008 20:08,Harvard_Alex,monthly
4/16/2008 20:08,HARVARD_MichaelR,Congrats on being admitted to Harvard
4/16/2008 20:08,Harvard_Alex,for finances
4/16/2008 20:08,Harvard_Alex,yearly for some other stuff
4/16/2008 20:08,ghsfish,you too anyone a chemistry major
4/16/2008 20:08,ghsfish,??
4/16/2008 20:08,Harvard_Jessica,i was when i entered
4/16/2008 20:08,Harvard_Jessica,:P
4/16/2008 20:08,KTC,lol
4/16/2008 20:08,Harvard_Alex,Who's rose?
4/16/2008 20:08,HARVARD_MichaelR,So please ask any questions ...
4/16/2008 20:08,Harvard_Rose,"Welcome, pban!"
4/16/2008 20:08,Harvard_Alex,and what is she doing in es123?
4/16/2008 20:08,pban,hi!
4/16/2008 20:08,Harvard_Jessica,i have no idea who rose is
4/16/2008 20:08,HARVARD_MichaelR,You do not have to declare your concentration until your sophomore year
4/16/2008 20:08,Harvard_Rose,^_^
4/16/2008 20:09,Harvard_Jessica,and she wans't in es123
4/16/2008 20:09,Harvard_Jean,welcome everyone
4/16/2008 20:09,Harvard_Jessica,that awk prefrosh was
4/16/2008 20:09,Harvard_Jean,i do computer science
4/16/2008 20:09,Harvard_Jean,i am a senior
4/16/2008 20:09,HARVARD_MichaelR,Welcome ... to the engineering and applied sci web chat!
4/16/2008 20:09,Harvard_Alex,nm
4/16/2008 20:09,Harvard_Jessica,oh
4/16/2008 20:09,Harvard_Jessica,i suppose intros are in order
4/16/2008 20:09,sarahfc,Hello everyone
4/16/2008 20:09,ghsfish,hi
4/16/2008 20:09,sarahfc,yes they are
4/16/2008 20:09,Harvard_Rose,"Hehe, sounds good."
4/16/2008 20:09,KTC,so who goes first?
4/16/2008 20:09,Harvard_Jessica,"i'm jessica, senior, mechanical engineering"
4/16/2008 20:09,KTC,shot not!
4/16/2008 20:09,sarahfc,we are really curious to know about you
4/16/2008 20:09,HARVARD_MichaelR,Yes ... I am the Com Director at the School of Engineering and Applied Sciences ...
4/16/2008 20:09,Harvard_Alex,"I'm a sophomore, bio-engineering"
4/16/2008 20:10,mfgomes13,"i guess ill ask the first question, if my acceptace letter says i have been accepted as a candidate for the degree of bachelor of arts, will i still be able to major in some form of engineering?"
4/16/2008 20:10,HARVARD_ProfessorManoharan,I'm an assistant professor in SEAS and physics
4/16/2008 20:10,Harvard_Jessica,yes.
4/16/2008 20:10,HARVARD_DeanDahleh,I am the assistant dean for accademic programs
4/16/2008 20:10,HARVARD_MichaelR,"MF: YES! Everyone is admitted to the college, not to particular programs"
4/16/2008 20:10,Harvard_Jean,truth
4/16/2008 20:10,HARVARD_MichaelR,You can declare your major your sophomore year
4/16/2008 20:10,Harvard_Rose,"*is a slow typer* I'm  a lowly freshman who's more or less undecided, but learning towards engineering. =D"
4/16/2008 20:10,HARVARD_ProfessorZickler,I'm an asst prof. of electrical engineering. I do computer vision.
4/16/2008 20:10,HARVARD_DeanDahleh,Yes you can do engineering we are the only bachelor of science
4/16/2008 20:10,HARVARD_MichaelR,Go Rose!
4/16/2008 20:10,mfgomes13,"ok thanks, i wasnt too sure"
4/16/2008 20:10,HARVARD_MichaelR,Welcome new folks to the eng & apl sci web chat
4/16/2008 20:10,pban,Prof. Zickler...I'm interested in electrical engineering!
4/16/2008 20:11,HARVARD_MichaelR,MF: Yes ... the goal is to give students time to explore ...
4/16/2008 20:11,Harvard_Jessica,i can see this chat quickly devolving into mayhem.
4/16/2008 20:11,HARVARD_ProfessorZickler,"Hi pban, Great. I teach an intro class for freshmen."
4/16/2008 20:11,ghsfish,"so, chemistry is good to major in?"
4/16/2008 20:11,sarahfc,"Hi Alex, I am interested in bio-engineering"
4/16/2008 20:11,Harvard_Jessica,well it depends on the person
4/16/2008 20:11,HARVARD_MichaelR,"And we have three concentrations: engineering sci, computer sci, and applied math"
4/16/2008 20:11,pban,how heavy is the courseload for engineering?  how much time do you get to spend in non-engineering classes?
4/16/2008 20:12,Harvard_Jessica,"for me, chem didn't work out"
4/16/2008 20:12,ghsfish,"i love it, but i am not sure if i want it as a major"
4/16/2008 20:12,Harvard_Jean,"i would say all of the concentrations are ""good"" in that you can do good things in them"
4/16/2008 20:12,Harvard_Alex,sarahfc: any particular reason?
4/16/2008 20:12,HARVARD_MichaelR,pban: the couse load varies ... the S.B. is heavier than the A.B.
4/16/2008 20:12,Harvard_Jean,it depends on what you like best
4/16/2008 20:12,Rachel,"hi, I'm interested in math and computer science"
4/16/2008 20:12,pban,i'm interested in the S.B.
4/16/2008 20:12,HARVARD_MichaelR,I thin kthe A.B. is 16 courses and the S.B. is 20
4/16/2008 20:12,Harvard_Jean,"cool, i am a senior in computer science"
4/16/2008 20:12,Rachel,"and I'm trying to decide between Harvard, Stanford, and MIT"
4/16/2008 20:12,HARVARD_DeanDahleh,we have two engineeirng degrees on is 14-16 half courses and one is 20
4/16/2008 20:12,sarahfc,"Prof. Zickler, can a student who hasn't taken computing in the A level take electrical engineering?"
4/16/2008 20:12,Harvard_Jean,"i also decided between harvard, stanford, and MIT"
4/16/2008 20:12,Harvard_Jessica,me too.
4/16/2008 20:12,HARVARD_MichaelR,You still have time to explore other areas .. go abroad ... etc
4/16/2008 20:12,Rachel,why did you choose harvard?
4/16/2008 20:12,Harvard_Jean,"feel free to e-mail me personally (jeanyang@fas.harvard.edu), but i'll say here"
4/16/2008 20:13,pban,what made you choose Harvard over MIT?
4/16/2008 20:13,Harvard_Jean,i really wasn't ready to commit to a tech school
4/16/2008 20:13,HARVARD_ProfessorZickler,Of course. the intro class I teach has few pre-reqs.
4/16/2008 20:13,Harvard_Jessica,me neither
4/16/2008 20:13,Harvard_Jessica,"also, i was in a science magnet"
4/16/2008 20:13,HARVARD_MichaelR,You can see more about requirements here: http://www.seas.harvard.edu/academic/undergradstudy/index.html
4/16/2008 20:13,Harvard_Jean,i always thought i wanted to go to grad school
4/16/2008 20:13,Harvard_Jessica,and i wanted a fresh perspective
4/16/2008 20:13,sarahfc,"Hi Alex, well, I found bio sensors and other applications really interesting"
4/16/2008 20:13,Harvard_Jean,so i figured getting a liberal arts undergrad education was a good thing to do
4/16/2008 20:13,Rachel,why not stanford?
4/16/2008 20:13,Harvard_Jean,there is always time to specialize later
4/16/2008 20:13,Harvard_Jean,well
4/16/2008 20:13,Harvard_Jean,the west coast is totally different
4/16/2008 20:13,Harvard_Jessica,"haha, i thought ""i could go to stanford for grad school"""
4/16/2008 20:13,Rachel,"haha, so I've heard"
4/16/2008 20:13,Harvard_Jean,stanford has a reputation for being anti-intellectual
4/16/2008 20:13,mfgomes13,is someone able to manage sports with a S.B.
4/16/2008 20:13,HARVARD_MichaelR,Yes ... Harvard emphasized a broad-based perspective
4/16/2008 20:14,sarahfc,really?
4/16/2008 20:14,pban,"Prof. Zickler, do you know about how many students per year are in the electrical engineering track?"
4/16/2008 20:14,Harvard_Rose,"lol, hey, I'm from the west coast!"
4/16/2008 20:14,HARVARD_MichaelR,MF: 50% of eng. concentrators do some form of sports ...
4/16/2008 20:14,HARVARD_ProfessorManoharan,mfgomes: what sport do you play?
4/16/2008 20:14,Harvard_Alex,Cool!
4/16/2008 20:14,Harvard_Jean,"harvard is pretty much the most intellectual school, IMHO"
4/16/2008 20:14,sarahfc,HI
4/16/2008 20:14,sarahfc,oops
4/16/2008 20:14,Harvard_Alex,I find the big room overwhelming
4/16/2008 20:14,HARVARD_MichaelR,So yes ... rowing is really popular :)
4/16/2008 20:14,Harvard_Jean,"like, the undergrads have really stimulating discussions"
4/16/2008 20:14,sarahfc,sorry capitalisation
4/16/2008 20:14,Harvard_Alex,don't worry I cant spell
4/16/2008 20:14,sarahfc,I get lost pretty easily
4/16/2008 20:14,Harvard_Jean,in terms of feel
4/16/2008 20:14,Harvard_Jean,"yale is more ""fun"""
4/16/2008 20:14,HARVARD_MichaelR,They do - I hear them in the halls!
4/16/2008 20:14,mfgomes13,idk if i want to try to play soccer or run track
4/16/2008 20:14,Harvard_Alex,that's why we have GPS
4/16/2008 20:14,Harvard_Alex,;-)
4/16/2008 20:14,mfgomes13,tough decision
4/16/2008 20:14,sarahfc,cause people on the chat say the opposite
4/16/2008 20:14,Harvard_Jessica,"stanford is great, but i have friends there who are a little disappointed by the intellectual caliber of the population in general"
4/16/2008 20:14,Harvard_Alex,where are you from
4/16/2008 20:15,Harvard_Jean,"oh good, someone agrees :)"
4/16/2008 20:15,HARVARD_ProfessorZickler,Marie: pban want's stats on # students in the EE track; do you know?
4/16/2008 20:15,HARVARD_MichaelR,And you get all four seasons in Boston!
4/16/2008 20:15,Harvard_Jean,"when i visited stanford for grad school, i was glad i didn't go :)"
4/16/2008 20:15,Harvard_Jessica,lol
4/16/2008 20:15,HARVARD_ProfessorManoharan,mfgomes: many of our students do it.  Ivy league schools are really good at taking care of student athletes
4/16/2008 20:15,Harvard_Jean,it just seemed a lot less real
4/16/2008 20:15,Harvard_Jessica,me too!
4/16/2008 20:15,Harvard_Jean,(stanford)
4/16/2008 20:15,HARVARD_DeanDahleh,we have aobut 30-40 students in engineering sciences roughly half are in bio a quater in mechanical and a little less then a quarter in electirical the reset ( 2-3) are in environmental I am a slow typer
4/16/2008 20:15,sarahfc,Bangladesh
4/16/2008 20:15,Rachel,I'm not going to have a chance to visit Stanford
4/16/2008 20:15,Harvard_Jean,"people really emphasized the fact that they had a life, but it is known that they work just as hard..."
4/16/2008 20:15,HARVARD_MichaelR,Students at Harvard find an amazing way to balance
4/16/2008 20:15,Harvard_Alex,awesome
4/16/2008 20:15,Harvard_Jean,i also didn't get a chance to visit stanford as an undergrad
4/16/2008 20:15,pban,thanks Dean Dahleh
4/16/2008 20:15,sarahfc,which part of the USA are you from?
4/16/2008 20:15,Rachel,but I visited Harvard last weekend
4/16/2008 20:15,Harvard_Alex,New Jersey
4/16/2008 20:15,sarahfc,"uh, you know what's funny"
4/16/2008 20:15,Rachel,and I definitely heard a lot of intellectual stuff
4/16/2008 20:15,KTC,So only about ten kids a year major EE? Wow.
4/16/2008 20:16,Harvard_Alex,why?
4/16/2008 20:16,Harvard_Jean,"and i always wondered if i wouuld have been happier there, but when i visited for grad school i decided no"
4/16/2008 20:16,pban,is that 30-40 total or per class year?
4/16/2008 20:16,sarahfc,I get that 'awesome' reaction so often
4/16/2008 20:16,sarahfc,I just don't get it
4/16/2008 20:16,sarahfc,I mean
4/16/2008 20:16,sarahfc,I am bangladeshi
4/16/2008 20:16,sarahfc,so I am from
4/16/2008 20:16,Harvard_Jessica,it could just be a personal thing
4/16/2008 20:16,HARVARD_MichaelR,We have about 300-400 undergrads in engineering and applied sciences
4/16/2008 20:16,sarahfc,Bangladesh
4/16/2008 20:16,KTC,oh
4/16/2008 20:16,Harvard_Jessica,stanford didn't click with me when i visited undergrad and grad
4/16/2008 20:16,KTC,lol.
4/16/2008 20:16,HARVARD_MichaelR,and about 350+ grad students
4/16/2008 20:16,Rachel,"also, I know you can cross-register to take classes at MIT"
4/16/2008 20:16,HARVARD_DeanDahleh,remember we do engineering sciences so you will be in courses with students in all areas not just ee
4/16/2008 20:16,sarahfc,it might be interesting
4/16/2008 20:16,sarahfc,I guess
4/16/2008 20:16,HARVARD_MichaelR,And 70 faculty
4/16/2008 20:16,Rachel,"but do people actually do that? like, is scheduling difficult?"
4/16/2008 20:16,Harvard_Alex,how many people from Bangladesh do you think most people talk to on a regular basis? (assuming they're in Boston)
4/16/2008 20:17,Harvard_Jessica,"i know people who x-reg, but it's not that common"
4/16/2008 20:17,HARVARD_MichaelR,Our robotics club is joint Harvard-MIT ...
4/16/2008 20:17,Harvard_Jean,people _have_ taken classes at MIT; i haven't personally
4/16/2008 20:17,Harvard_Jessica,unless there's a specific class than only mit offers
4/16/2008 20:17,HARVARD_DeanDahleh,a few people a year take classes at mit
4/16/2008 20:17,Harvard_Jean,but i have participated on robocup
4/16/2008 20:17,Harvard_Rose,Hiya Raven. =)
4/16/2008 20:17,HARVARD_MichaelR,But you can pretty much get the same core classes at Harvard as you can at MIT
4/16/2008 20:17,Harvard_Alex,I worked at an MIT lab last year...it's not that difficult
4/16/2008 20:17,pban,i kind of think that i like the smaller size at Harvard than the colossal majors at MIT
4/16/2008 20:17,HARVARD_ProfessorManoharan,scheduling will be easier in 2009 when we srat the school year earlier
4/16/2008 20:17,sarahfc,not at all
4/16/2008 20:17,Harvard_Jean,i went to MIT all the time for robocup
4/16/2008 20:17,sarahfc,making us really rare
4/16/2008 20:17,Harvard_Jean,i also run down to MIT and back every morning
4/16/2008 20:17,Harvard_Jean,"yeah, that's true"
4/16/2008 20:17,Harvard_Alex,perhaps
4/16/2008 20:17,HARVARD_MichaelR,It is just a few subway stops away ..
4/16/2008 20:17,sarahfc,"not awesome,  I guess"
4/16/2008 20:17,Harvard_Jean,fall semester is difficult b/c MIT starts a week earlier
4/16/2008 20:17,KTC,ooh. more people.
4/16/2008 20:17,sarahfc,anyway
4/16/2008 20:17,sarahfc,it's kinda funny you know
4/16/2008 20:17,HARVARD_MichaelR,Welcome all new folks!
4/16/2008 20:17,Harvard_Jean,"2 subway stops, or a 20-ish minute walk"
4/16/2008 20:17,Harvard_Alex,did you go to school in Bangladesh or in the USA?
4/16/2008 20:17,Harvard_Jean,i usually walk down to MIT
4/16/2008 20:18,Harvard_Jean,because i like walking
4/16/2008 20:18,sarahfc,Bangladesh
4/16/2008 20:18,Harvard_Jessica,oh yes
4/16/2008 20:18,HARVARD_MichaelR,Congrats on getting into Harvard. You are among the lucky 7%
4/16/2008 20:18,sarahfc,haven't lived in the US
4/16/2008 20:18,Harvard_Jessica,everyone walks around here
4/16/2008 20:18,Harvard_Jean,oh wow
4/16/2008 20:18,Harvard_Jessica,walking = big.
4/16/2008 20:18,Harvard_Rose,"Hello Pose. =) Hehe, your screenname rhymes with my name! I think."
4/16/2008 20:18,Harvard_Jean,walking is important
4/16/2008 20:18,Harvard_Alex,What made you want to apply to harvard?
4/16/2008 20:18,Harvard_Jessica,walking fast is also big :p
4/16/2008 20:18,HARVARD_MichaelR,So any questions ...
4/16/2008 20:18,Harvard_Jean,haha
4/16/2008 20:18,pose2012,"Hi Rose, from Pose."
4/16/2008 20:18,Harvard_Jean,having good walking shoes and good rain shoes--also good
4/16/2008 20:18,Harvard_Jean,:D
4/16/2008 20:18,Harvard_Rose,Hehe. ^_^
4/16/2008 20:18,HARVARD_MichaelR,It's a great time to be in engineering at Harvard ... we have two new undergrad labs ...
4/16/2008 20:18,ghsfish,how many courses for chem>>
4/16/2008 20:18,Rachel,do the classes start on the hour at both places?
4/16/2008 20:18,Harvard_Jessica,haha
4/16/2008 20:18,Harvard_Jean,no
4/16/2008 20:19,Harvard_Jean,hour:07
4/16/2008 20:19,HARVARD_MichaelR,A great new nanofab facility
4/16/2008 20:19,Harvard_Alex,Harvard has a 7 minute rule
4/16/2008 20:19,Rachel,because it seems like that would make you spend one hour walking each way
4/16/2008 20:19,Harvard_Jean,i usually am on time to things
4/16/2008 20:19,Harvard_Jean,but not being on time is not a big deal
4/16/2008 20:19,Rachel,"I mean, waste one hour for a 20 min walk"
4/16/2008 20:19,Harvard_Jean,"also, most of the classrooms are close to each other"
4/16/2008 20:19,HARVARD_MichaelR,And everything at Harvard starts 10 minutes late
4/16/2008 20:19,sarahfc,well
4/16/2008 20:19,Harvard_Rose,lol
4/16/2008 20:19,sarahfc,to be quite honest
4/16/2008 20:19,Harvard_Jean,so it takes me like 17 min to get to class but each of my classes are less than 10 minutes apart
4/16/2008 20:19,sarahfc,anyone who is a really good student in my country
4/16/2008 20:19,Harvard_Jean,"so, you'll probably have a maximum of 3 classes a day"
4/16/2008 20:19,sarahfc,applies to Harvard
4/16/2008 20:19,Harvard_Jessica,"i think you'll find that anywhere you go, punctuality is not a huge deal in college."
4/16/2008 20:20,sarahfc,for a shot at no.1 uni
4/16/2008 20:20,Harvard_Jessica,not to encourage tardiness or anything.
4/16/2008 20:20,Harvard_Jean,the chances that you have all of your classes in a row is low
4/16/2008 20:20,sarahfc,in the US
4/16/2008 20:20,sarahfc,or the world
4/16/2008 20:20,sarahfc,so did I
4/16/2008 20:20,sarahfc,you see
4/16/2008 20:20,Harvard_Jean,"some people like it that way, but if you want to have time to breathe between classes you can make them apart from each other"
4/16/2008 20:20,sarahfc,unlike MIT with it's blogs and all
4/16/2008 20:20,KTC,"Do you feel like you have a lot more free time now that you're in college, or does an increased workload just take up any extra time?"
4/16/2008 20:20,sarahfc,Harvard doesn't really show us much about what current students are like
4/16/2008 20:20,HARVARD_MichaelR,But ... the main Harvard campus is very reasonable in terms of size
4/16/2008 20:20,sarahfc,I mean
4/16/2008 20:20,Harvard_Jessica,haha
4/16/2008 20:20,Harvard_Jean,i work a lot more in college
4/16/2008 20:20,Rachel,"in terms of getting to MIT for a class, if you wanted to"
4/16/2008 20:20,Harvard_Jean,but
4/16/2008 20:21,Harvard_Jean,i work a lot more efficiently
4/16/2008 20:21,Harvard_Jean,so i get a lot more done
4/16/2008 20:21,Harvard_Jessica,my friend syas work is like a gas: it fills all available time
4/16/2008 20:21,Harvard_Jean,"in high school, i don't think i really worked--i thought i did"
4/16/2008 20:21,Rachel,"do you have to waste one class ""period"" each way?"
4/16/2008 20:21,pban,what do most engineering graduates do after graduating?
4/16/2008 20:21,Harvard_Jean,but i mean--i would start at 8 pm
4/16/2008 20:21,Harvard_Alex,Your time is spent doing a lot more homework or problemsets than in normal high school class and extracuricular activities are far more of a time comittment
4/16/2008 20:21,Harvard_Jessica,right
4/16/2008 20:21,HARVARD_MichaelR,"pban: lots of things ... grad school, careers, etc."
4/16/2008 20:21,Harvard_Jean,i am going to grad school for computer science at MIT next year; most of my classmates are working at companies
4/16/2008 20:21,Harvard_Jessica,"i'd say college is a lot more ""focused"""
4/16/2008 20:21,HARVARD_MichaelR,One of our grads runs a bakery! A good one.
4/16/2008 20:21,pban,do most go into industry? or grad school?
4/16/2008 20:21,Harvard_Jean,"there is one other student going to grad school (berkeley) and my other friends are going to google, microsoft, facebook"
4/16/2008 20:21,Harvard_Jessica,i'm going to grad school at cambridge and then caltech
4/16/2008 20:21,HARVARD_MichaelR,Stephanie Wilson '88 is an astronaut.
4/16/2008 20:22,HARVARD_DeanDahleh,"our students do all sorts of things, med school law schools, grad schools work for companies like google and boeing"
4/16/2008 20:22,Harvard_Alex,MIT has an image that it needs to counteract (the dork stereotype) haravard doesn't. If you visit the two the difference is pretty obvious
4/16/2008 20:22,Harvard_Rose,"Rachel, if I understand your question correctly, no. I've had some back-to-back classes. :D"
4/16/2008 20:22,Harvard_Jessica,"(i've heard about that bakery -- great sticky buns, so i hear)"
4/16/2008 20:22,pban,nice...
4/16/2008 20:22,Daisy Miller,like potential astronaut or actually-been-into-space astronaut?
4/16/2008 20:22,yanniskb,"Hi everyone! Good morning from Greece (Its 4am here :-), Im thinking of doing engineering with a concentration on biomedical stuff. Does Harvard have a good department on that?"
4/16/2008 20:22,sarahfc,TRUE
4/16/2008 20:22,Rachel,"ok, thanks Rose"
4/16/2008 20:22,Harvard_Alex,so there's no real need to have a publicity campaign to show that harvard kids are normal
4/16/2008 20:22,KTC,Woah. Greece.
4/16/2008 20:22,HARVARD_MichaelR,pban: it really varies ...
4/16/2008 20:22,sarahfc,but visiting isn't really an option
4/16/2008 20:22,Harvard_Alex,I have many good friends at MIT
4/16/2008 20:22,sarahfc,for many internationals
4/16/2008 20:22,Harvard_Rose,Glad to be of help. ^_^
4/16/2008 20:22,Harvard_Alex,TRUE
4/16/2008 20:22,sarahfc,definitely true for the USA
4/16/2008 20:22,HARVARD_ProfessorManoharan,hi yanniskb. we have a bioengineering department here with some great people
4/16/2008 20:22,Harvard_Rose,Hiya Haven!
4/16/2008 20:23,HARVARD_MichaelR,In terms of specific post-Harvard plans see: http://www.seas.harvard.edu/admissions/undergrad/QA.html
4/16/2008 20:23,ghsfish,what are you doing there? Do you live there?
4/16/2008 20:23,havenofperdition329,Hello!
4/16/2008 20:23,sarahfc,"I mean, residing in USA"
4/16/2008 20:23,pban,thanks MichaelR
4/16/2008 20:23,KTC,Thanks for the URL!
4/16/2008 20:23,HARVARD_MichaelR,Welcome new folks! This is the eng & ap sci chat
4/16/2008 20:23,Harvard_Alex,hey!
4/16/2008 20:23,sarahfc,one pretty much has a good idea as to what the unis are like
4/16/2008 20:23,sarahfc,or can visit
4/16/2008 20:23,Harvard_Alex,I do bio-eng.
4/16/2008 20:23,yanniskb,hey
4/16/2008 20:23,KTC,...I just read that as English and AP Science.
4/16/2008 20:23,Harvard_Alex,what can I answer?
4/16/2008 20:23,Harvard_Rose,Hiya RQi. =)
4/16/2008 20:23,KTC,lol.
4/16/2008 20:23,HARVARD_MichaelR,And some grads leave early and start multi-billion dollar companies -- although we don't recommend that course ;)
4/16/2008 20:23,ghsfish,ready for ap tests>
4/16/2008 20:23,RQi1234,hey rose
4/16/2008 20:23,ghsfish,?
4/16/2008 20:23,Harvard_Jessica,"since yanniskb is from greece, i figure it's a good time to mention that harvard has a ridiculous diversity of people"
4/16/2008 20:23,Harvard_Jean,it's true
4/16/2008 20:23,Harvard_Alex,MIT students are completely focused around work
4/16/2008 20:23,yanniskb,when did ou choose?
4/16/2008 20:24,Harvard_Rose,"Ew, AP tests. I remember those."
4/16/2008 20:24,yanniskb,I mean
4/16/2008 20:24,Harvard_Alex,(and drinking)
4/16/2008 20:24,Rachel,haha
4/16/2008 20:24,RQi1234,lol yea aps
4/16/2008 20:24,HARVARD_MichaelR,Microsoft and Facebook both started at Harvard ...
4/16/2008 20:24,ghsfish,that is really awesome
4/16/2008 20:24,yanniskb,how lomg do you do engineering in general
4/16/2008 20:24,Harvard_Jean,"i have friends from the czech republic, china, england, etc."
4/16/2008 20:24,yanniskb,before you start specializing
4/16/2008 20:24,yanniskb,?
4/16/2008 20:24,Harvard_Jessica,"you forgot romania, jean :p"
4/16/2008 20:24,Harvard_Jean,"oh, that's right--ciprian?  :D"
4/16/2008 20:24,Harvard_Alex,Harvard its much more about learning while taking advantage of all of the great resources that are here
4/16/2008 20:24,Harvard_Jessica,of course :)
4/16/2008 20:24,havenofperdition329,I just have a question
4/16/2008 20:24,Harvard_Alex,Freshman year I got involved in a tissue engineering lab
4/16/2008 20:24,HARVARD_MichaelR,"In enginering, I think about 40% of grad students are foreign nationals ... I'm not sure about the und. population ... but it is diverse"
4/16/2008 20:24,Harvard_Alex,that pretty much convinced me
4/16/2008 20:25,Harvard_Rose,"Ask away, Haven. =)"
4/16/2008 20:25,Harvard_Jean,i love questions
4/16/2008 20:25,Harvard_Jessica,it's diverse ethnically/racially/socioeconomically
4/16/2008 20:25,Harvard_Alex,In terms of classes the classes aren't all that different as a whole
4/16/2008 20:25,pose2012,"At reception for admits, Dean Fitzsimmons mentioned about the plan of developing a silicon valley across the river.  Has it already started+?  How long this project is going to take?"
4/16/2008 20:25,havenofperdition329,I heard that there is a coregistering program with MIT
4/16/2008 20:25,HARVARD_MichaelR,Everyone at Harvard loved questions!
4/16/2008 20:25,Harvard_Jessica,some people have crazzzy life stories.
4/16/2008 20:25,havenofperdition329,how does that work?
4/16/2008 20:25,Harvard_Jean,i should take a moment to mention other forms of contacting me for addition questions: jeanyang@fas.harvard.edu
4/16/2008 20:25,ghsfish,is the food good????
4/16/2008 20:25,KTC,lol
4/16/2008 20:25,Harvard_Alex,for example we have world leaders who come through all the time
4/16/2008 20:25,Harvard_Jessica,hahahaha
4/16/2008 20:25,Harvard_Jessica,i think it's pretty good :)
4/16/2008 20:25,HARVARD_MichaelR,pose: microsoft research just moved in ... and biotech is blooming
4/16/2008 20:25,Harvard_Jean,it is easy to cross-register at MIT
4/16/2008 20:25,Harvard_Jean,i am pretty sure you just fill out a form
4/16/2008 20:25,Harvard_Jean,then you show up for class there
4/16/2008 20:25,sarahfc,Hello
4/16/2008 20:25,havenofperdition329,o nice!
4/16/2008 20:25,HARVARD_MichaelR,So it is starting ... and Harvard is a place for more and more start-ups ...
4/16/2008 20:25,Daisy Miller,how often do people cross-register?
4/16/2008 20:25,RQi1234,and the mit labs are accessible i supose then?
4/16/2008 20:25,Harvard_Alex,"experts in just about every field or subject just because people like to say that they ""spoke at harvard"""
4/16/2008 20:25,Harvard_Rose,Hello Sarah!
4/16/2008 20:26,yanniskb,aha.. And is the department of Harvard considered a good one?
4/16/2008 20:26,Harvard_Jean,so i have known people who have cross-registered both ways
4/16/2008 20:26,HARVARD_ProfessorZickler,pose: Adobe just opened a research lab here as well.
4/16/2008 20:26,havenofperdition329,wow nice!
4/16/2008 20:26,Harvard_Jean,there have been MIT students in several of my classes
4/16/2008 20:26,sarahfc,"gosh, MIT into drinking"
4/16/2008 20:26,HARVARD_MichaelR,And Google has a lab in Kenmore Sq (NEAR BU)
4/16/2008 20:26,yanniskb,Is there interesting reaserch taking place
4/16/2008 20:26,yanniskb,?
4/16/2008 20:26,sarahfc,I mean the crimson.com
4/16/2008 20:26,Harvard_Jean,organic chemistry; programming languages
4/16/2008 20:26,ravenguild08,what sort of classes do students typically take at MIT?
4/16/2008 20:26,Harvard_Jean,algortihms
4/16/2008 20:26,pose2012,awesome
4/16/2008 20:26,Harvard_Jean,hmm
4/16/2008 20:26,Harvard_Alex,the medical school is the best in the country/world and we share alot of faculty/ labs with them
4/16/2008 20:26,Harvard_Jean,"i dunno, i think more engineering-type classes"
4/16/2008 20:26,sarahfc,seems to say that Harvard people do the same
4/16/2008 20:26,HARVARD_MichaelR,Lots of Harvard students take accounting at MIT!
4/16/2008 20:26,Harvard_Jean,and like graduate theory classes
4/16/2008 20:26,HARVARD_ProfessorZickler,and IBM research...
4/16/2008 20:26,Harvard_Jessica,developmental lab (d-lab) for sustainable development
4/16/2008 20:26,Harvard_Jean,(i've known people to take)
4/16/2008 20:26,Rachel,I have a question about freshman math
4/16/2008 20:26,Harvard_Rose,???
4/16/2008 20:26,Harvard_Alex,take a look at http://harvardscience.harvard.edu/
4/16/2008 20:26,HARVARD_MichaelR,Rachel ... what about math ...
4/16/2008 20:26,havenofperdition329,what engineering courses are offered at Harvard
4/16/2008 20:26,Rachel,what courses have people usually taken coming in?
4/16/2008 20:26,Harvard_Jean,although i've had MIT grad student friends who take grad theory here too...
4/16/2008 20:26,havenofperdition329,just wondering
4/16/2008 20:27,Harvard_Alex,its a bit different
4/16/2008 20:27,Harvard_Jean,"yes, what about freshman math?"
4/16/2008 20:27,HARVARD_MichaelR,Rachel: there are placement tests ... so you can start at all levels from 1a to 55
4/16/2008 20:27,Rachel,"I was getting to that ... seems like a stupid introduction, in retrospect"
4/16/2008 20:27,havenofperdition329,I did hear MIT is a bit crazy
4/16/2008 20:27,Harvard_Jean,MIT is fun
4/16/2008 20:27,Harvard_Jessica,uh....the normal stuff?
4/16/2008 20:27,Harvard_Jean,i am going there for grad school for that reason
4/16/2008 20:27,pban,does anyone know the differences between Harvared engineering and Princeton engineering?
4/16/2008 20:27,yanniskb,thnks.. And do undergrads get the chance to see a lot of the high end labs?
4/16/2008 20:27,Harvard_Jessica,"i don't know, you have to be more specificc"
4/16/2008 20:27,ghsfish,do you suggest takig calsses that you got ap credit for over??
4/16/2008 20:27,HARVARD_MichaelR,MIT isn't that crazy ... I worked there ... it is a great place (just as great as Harvard)
4/16/2008 20:27,HARVARD_ProfessorManoharan,pban I was a princeton undergrad
4/16/2008 20:27,ghsfish,"classes, sorry"
4/16/2008 20:27,HARVARD_ProfessorManoharan,in engineering
4/16/2008 20:27,Harvard_Rose,Hiya Evan and Yzhan!
4/16/2008 20:27,pban,ProfManoharan: how are the experiences different?
4/16/2008 20:28,HARVARD_MichaelR,pban: Harvard/Princeton ... well ... both are ivies ... Harvard is very research focused
4/16/2008 20:28,havenofperdition329,icic
4/16/2008 20:28,EvanCz,hello
4/16/2008 20:28,Harvard_Alex,"at MIT (traditionally) its a culture of work all week, and get really drunk on the weekends and try to forget about problem sets and what not. Harvard we don't really have this cycle of pain all week and try to forget about it on the weekends. that's what"
4/16/2008 20:28,HARVARD_ProfessorManoharan,"princeton is larger, there are more specialized courses"
4/16/2008 20:28,havenofperdition329,great people come out of harvard
4/16/2008 20:28,havenofperdition329,hahhaa
4/16/2008 20:28,ravenguild08,so is it easy/common to find research at harvard?
4/16/2008 20:28,Harvard_Alex,every lab at harvard has a few undergrads
4/16/2008 20:28,Rachel,"do you have to take placement tests, or do AP courses and the like count for placement?"
4/16/2008 20:28,Harvard_Jessica,"oh, definitely."
4/16/2008 20:28,Harvard_Jean,it is pretty easy
4/16/2008 20:28,Harvard_Jean,and common
4/16/2008 20:28,HARVARD_ProfessorManoharan,one thing I like about harvard is that we're smaller and get to interact with each other a lot more
4/16/2008 20:28,Harvard_Alex,so any of the faculty you read about you can work with
4/16/2008 20:28,Harvard_Jean,there are placement tests but they are just a suggestion--there are no hard and fast pre-reqs for any harvard course
4/16/2008 20:28,HARVARD_MichaelR,Rachel: you have to take math placement (period) ....
4/16/2008 20:28,HARVARD_ProfessorZickler,raven: I always have a few undergrads working in my lab.
4/16/2008 20:28,sb,"On average, how many students are in an engineering class junior and senior year?"
4/16/2008 20:28,Harvard_Jean,you can take any class you feel qualified for
4/16/2008 20:28,HARVARD_MichaelR,Our fac/student ratio is 5:1
4/16/2008 20:28,pban,ProfManoharan: yeah that is something that I liked about Harvard engineering
4/16/2008 20:29,yanniskb,ok great! Thanks!
4/16/2008 20:29,Harvard_Jessica,sb: um....depends on the class.
4/16/2008 20:29,havenofperdition329,when do we take placement tests
4/16/2008 20:29,sarahfc,"so, if I want to do research, how do I go about finding something to do"
4/16/2008 20:29,Harvard_Alex,(its changing at MIT and its not necesscarially everyone...but that's the difference in student culture)
4/16/2008 20:29,Harvard_Alex,even better...they'll pay you to work there
4/16/2008 20:29,Harvard_Jean,"placement tests are first week of school, i believe"
4/16/2008 20:29,yanniskb,can a ask something a little bit more general
4/16/2008 20:29,Harvard_Jessica,"sb: i'd say...30 max, really."
4/16/2008 20:29,ghsfish,do you sugest calc 1 again?
4/16/2008 20:29,pban,what kind of research opportunities do engineering students have?
4/16/2008 20:29,HARVARD_MichaelR,"Sara: typically, ther are summer programs, like PRISE or you meet faculty and find a way to work in their lab"
4/16/2008 20:29,Rachel,do you take placement tests for all the subjects you want to take classes in?
4/16/2008 20:29,Harvard_Jean,"if you want to do research--find a topic that interests you and go to the professor's office, either during office hours or during an appointment you schedule"
4/16/2008 20:29,Harvard_Jean,most professors are pretty nice
4/16/2008 20:29,yanniskb,if one wants do do med school which is the best undergrad concentration?
4/16/2008 20:29,HARVARD_DeanDahleh,lots of research opportunities. most of out labs have undergrads in them
4/16/2008 20:29,havenofperdition329,"I read some of the PRISE abstracts, not many are frm engineering research"
4/16/2008 20:29,Harvard_Rose -> ghsfish,"Ghsfish, I'm not sure if your previous question got answered, but...I've found classes here tend to cover more than the AP classes do."
4/16/2008 20:29,Harvard_Jean,the school also has nice frameworks set up to encoruage research
4/16/2008 20:29,Harvard_Alex,I really don't mean to be negative. its a really great school with really smart students...its just a bit different
4/16/2008 20:29,HARVARD_ProfessorManoharan,sarahfrc: we also have a forum where professors talk to the undergrads about research
4/16/2008 20:29,HARVARD_MichaelR,pban: students do lots of things ... like build robotic insects ... work in nano ... bioeng
4/16/2008 20:29,sarahfc,"ok, I see"
4/16/2008 20:29,havenofperdition329,I mean computer research
4/16/2008 20:29,Harvard_Alex,anything
4/16/2008 20:29,KTC,"Can undergrads get lab space to pursue their own research, independent of a professor?"
4/16/2008 20:30,Harvard_Jessica,yay robotic insects :)
4/16/2008 20:30,Harvard_Jean,it's possible
4/16/2008 20:30,ghsfish,thanks rose
4/16/2008 20:30,sarahfc,I know this is an old and tired question
4/16/2008 20:30,HARVARD_MichaelR,In terms of CS ... just about everything ...
4/16/2008 20:30,Harvard_Alex,where else are you considering?
4/16/2008 20:30,HARVARD_ProfessorManoharan,I gave a talk last february and ended up with three ES undergrads
4/16/2008 20:30,Harvard_Jean,we have gotten lab space for our robocup team
4/16/2008 20:30,Harvard_Rose -> HARVARD_DeanDahleh,=)
4/16/2008 20:30,HARVARD_ProfessorZickler,haven: I have a PRISE student working on computer vision this summer
4/16/2008 20:30,sb,Will there be a way to visit engineering classes between the 25th and 27th?
4/16/2008 20:30,yanniskb,[img id=em-3]
4/16/2008 20:30,Harvard_Jean,for autonomous soccer-playing robots
4/16/2008 20:30,HARVARD_MichaelR,sb: yes ... there is an open house ...
4/16/2008 20:30,Harvard_Jessica,sb: yes
4/16/2008 20:30,havenofperdition329,o wow
4/16/2008 20:30,sarahfc,but are there lots of arrogant people here?
4/16/2008 20:30,sb,thank you!
4/16/2008 20:30,Harvard_Alex,95% of harvard premeds get into med school
4/16/2008 20:30,Harvard_Alex,http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/~premed/about.htm
4/16/2008 20:30,sarahfc,or is that another stereotype
4/16/2008 20:30,sarahfc,oh
4/16/2008 20:30,havenofperdition329,when is the earliest we can start research?
4/16/2008 20:30,Harvard_Jessica,"sb: depending on what you're interested in, i might point you in the direction of what might be going on thursday/friday"
4/16/2008 20:30,sarahfc,"I got into Stanford, Caltech and Williams"
4/16/2008 20:30,Harvard_Jean,please find a link to robocup videos on my site: http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~jeanyang/multimedia.htm
4/16/2008 20:31,Harvard_Alex,"hehe I was worried that you would throw at me ""do professors care about students"""
4/16/2008 20:31,HARVARD_MichaelR,Most eng students at Harvard pursue term-time or summer research
4/16/2008 20:31,sarahfc,besides Harvard
4/16/2008 20:31,sarahfc,uh
4/16/2008 20:31,yanniskb,ive heard that as an international it is extremely difficult to get into med school
4/16/2008 20:31,sarahfc,well
4/16/2008 20:31,HARVARD_ProfessorManoharan,"haven: you can start research whenever, depending on the lab.  most of my undergrads start in sophomore year"
4/16/2008 20:31,yanniskb,is it true?
4/16/2008 20:31,Harvard_Jessica,"haven: i think whenever you feel ready, really."
4/16/2008 20:31,HARVARD_DeanDahleh,april 25 is a friday and there are not many classes on friday but if we have a class that interests you you are certainly welcome to join it.
4/16/2008 20:31,Harvard_Jean,it is also easy to do computer science research: there are 91r courses that you can do for independent study
4/16/2008 20:31,sarahfc,"you see, the teachers at most schools in Bangladesh"
4/16/2008 20:31,havenofperdition329,If we want to get started over summer...is that possible
4/16/2008 20:31,HARVARD_MichaelR,You can see more on research here: http://www.seas.harvard.edu/research/opportunities/
4/16/2008 20:31,Harvard_Jessica,"haven: i don't suggest starting right away, since you need to find the right balance first"
4/16/2008 20:31,pban,"if I'm not going to be at Harvard on Friday the 25th, is there any way I can meet with some of the open house people on Monday? (I'm going to be there an extra day since I can't go Friday)"
4/16/2008 20:31,sarahfc,"especially the larger schools, like the two I attended"
4/16/2008 20:31,Rachel,"if I wanted to double major in math./cs, how many classes would I have to take in those subjects?"
4/16/2008 20:31,Harvard_Jean,"my thesis advisor, greg morrisett (eecs.harvard.edu/~greg) is having two undergrads working with him this summer"
4/16/2008 20:31,sarahfc,aren't particularly interested in you in class.
4/16/2008 20:31,HARVARD_MichaelR,pban: you can drop by the academic office in Pierce ...
4/16/2008 20:32,sarahfc,They are a lot more attentive outside of class.
4/16/2008 20:32,Harvard_Jessica,haven: do you mean starting this summer before you register?
4/16/2008 20:32,Harvard_Jean,pban: e-mail me and you can meet with me (jeanyang@fas.harvard.edu)--i am a senior in computer science
4/16/2008 20:32,havenofperdition329,yeah
4/16/2008 20:32,Harvard_Alex,there are naturally arrogant people but with so many science olimpiad winners running around after a few days most people realize that there are a lot smarter people then them here and tone down the pride. Also the case once they try a math 25 or physics 
4/16/2008 20:32,pban,ok thanks!
4/16/2008 20:32,KTC,Do a lot of students double major/minor in liberal artsy-stuff?
4/16/2008 20:32,Harvard_Jessica,haven: um...i suppose you could
4/16/2008 20:32,Harvard_Jessica,haven: if you have the living arrangements
4/16/2008 20:32,HARVARD_MichaelR,KTC: some do ...
4/16/2008 20:32,sarahfc,I tend to take advantage  of that
4/16/2008 20:32,sarahfc,haha
4/16/2008 20:32,Harvard_Jessica,haven: and have made contact with a professor who will take you.
4/16/2008 20:32,pban,yeah I'm staying with a friend
4/16/2008 20:32,HARVARD_MichaelR,"But you will have time to take humanities courses, do clubs, sports, etc."
4/16/2008 20:32,Harvard_Jean,rachel: you can take a look at the courses i've taken here: http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~jeanyang/cs.htm
4/16/2008 20:32,sarahfc,psets of humility
4/16/2008 20:32,sarahfc,just kidding
4/16/2008 20:32,sb,"Is double majoring in Economics and Engineering popular, or is that too difficult?"
4/16/2008 20:32,Rachel,thanks
4/16/2008 20:33,HARVARD_MichaelR,And there are now secondary fields at Harvard (like minors)
4/16/2008 20:33,Harvard_Alex,its definately harder than if you are an American...but going to Harvard (or another top school in the USA) makes it easier than if you went to school abroad
4/16/2008 20:33,HARVARD_MichaelR,sb: engineering and econ is popular (typically through applied math)
4/16/2008 20:33,sb,"okay, thanks!"
4/16/2008 20:33,Harvard_Jessica,"sb: difficult -- well, one of my friends tried it"
4/16/2008 20:33,Harvard_Alex,I'd say you can't really make a wrong decision
4/16/2008 20:33,Harvard_Jessica,sb: it might be easier to do engineering with a ec minor
4/16/2008 20:33,HARVARD_MichaelR,and engineering sets you up for b-school as well ...
4/16/2008 20:33,havenofperdition329,"since I really don't know what engineering sciences I'm going to pursue, is there someone who may be able to pinpoint us in the right direction?"
4/16/2008 20:33,Harvard_Jean,"so i am really interested in so-called ""liberal-artsy"" stuff and among courses i've taken are drawing, a course on aristotle's poetics and rhetoric (in which we just do random classics stuff), an art history course, etc."
4/16/2008 20:33,Harvard_Rose,"Hiya Three. That's my favorite number, y'know. =D Hello Brogan!"
4/16/2008 20:33,three,:)
4/16/2008 20:33,Harvard_Jean,"hmm, eight is my favorite number"
4/16/2008 20:33,yanniskb,i see...
4/16/2008 20:33,Harvard_Jean,3 is like visually half of eight
4/16/2008 20:33,sb,Business school = b school?
4/16/2008 20:33,Harvard_Jean,;)
4/16/2008 20:33,KTC,Cool. Thanks.
4/16/2008 20:33,HARVARD_MichaelR,I am partial to 6
4/16/2008 20:33,Harvard_Rose,^_^
4/16/2008 20:33,Harvard_Jessica,haven: might try the intro classes first
4/16/2008 20:33,yanniskb,thnks a lot!
4/16/2008 20:34,Harvard_Jessica,haven: and then figure it out from there
4/16/2008 20:34,havenofperdition329,so the core classes
4/16/2008 20:34,Daisy Miller,"People cross-register at Harvard and MIT...if they're at Harvard and already majoring in say, CS, what classes do they usually take at MIT?"
4/16/2008 20:34,havenofperdition329,?
4/16/2008 20:34,HARVARD_ProfessorManoharan,haven: I suggest taking prof. zickler's course and other intro courses.  We have a few
4/16/2008 20:34,sarahfc,"Well, it would be nice if you could tell me why it should be harvard and not the others :)"
4/16/2008 20:34,Harvard_Alex,no problem
4/16/2008 20:34,Harvard_Jessica,haven: you don't have to declare until sophomore yr
4/16/2008 20:34,HARVARD_MichaelR,And most folks who pursue engineering (or any science) take a similar courseload their freshman year
4/16/2008 20:34,yanniskb,can I email u if I have questions on biomed stuff?
4/16/2008 20:34,Harvard_Alex,my e-mail is bick@fas.harvard.edu
4/16/2008 20:34,Harvard_Alex,please feel free!
4/16/2008 20:34,ghsfish,4 is the shiznik
4/16/2008 20:34,Harvard_Alex,errr ok
4/16/2008 20:34,yanniskb,thnx[img id=em-3]
4/16/2008 20:34,havenofperdition329,okok
4/16/2008 20:34,Harvard_Jean,"daisy: i have found harvard cs courses to be enough for me, but i have a friend who is taking grad theory courses at MIT"
4/16/2008 20:34,HARVARD_DeanDahleh,we see very few cross registrations most are in sustainable desigm
4/16/2008 20:34,Rachel,how many classes do people tend to take each semester?
4/16/2008 20:34,BroganB,Hello everyone...first timer
4/16/2008 20:35,Harvard_Jean,i usually take 4
4/16/2008 20:35,HARVARD_MichaelR,Rachel: typically 4
4/16/2008 20:35,Harvard_Jean,that is a good number to take
4/16/2008 20:35,Harvard_Jessica,4 classes
4/16/2008 20:35,Harvard_Alex,there's three types of schools here MIT/CALtech; Harvard/Stanford; Williams
4/16/2008 20:35,HARVARD_ProfessorManoharan,"haven: don't worry, we don't expect you to know exactly what field you want to go into"
4/16/2008 20:35,RQi1234,how about foreign languages? are there any requirements for graduating?
4/16/2008 20:35,Harvard_Jessica,i tried 5 once...not that great of an idea.
4/16/2008 20:35,HARVARD_MichaelR,You can take 5 ... but that's typically not recommended.
4/16/2008 20:35,HARVARD_ProfessorManoharan,it's good to explore
4/16/2008 20:35,HARVARD_MichaelR,RQI ... yes Harvard has a foreign lang req.
4/16/2008 20:35,sarahfc,I see
4/16/2008 20:35,RQi1234,how many yrs? jw
4/16/2008 20:35,yzhan,"if you double major, how many classes would you have to take?"
4/16/2008 20:35,HARVARD_MichaelR,Some students test out ...
4/16/2008 20:35,Harvard_Jean,RQ: there is a language req but you can place out
4/16/2008 20:35,Harvard_Alex,assuming financial aid is not an issue...then I would describe them as follows:
4/16/2008 20:35,Harvard_Jessica,"one year, if you don't test out."
4/16/2008 20:35,HARVARD_MichaelR,I think you need a full year of a lang.
4/16/2008 20:35,RQi1234,"well, i'm thinking of restarting chinese"
4/16/2008 20:35,sarahfc,ok
4/16/2008 20:35,Harvard_Jean,oh cool
4/16/2008 20:35,RQi1234,so is there a way of finding the right level for me?
4/16/2008 20:35,Harvard_Jessica,"RQi: yeah, a lot of people do that"
4/16/2008 20:35,havenofperdition329,"for the language requirement, do we need a foreign language?"
4/16/2008 20:35,sarahfc,three groups
4/16/2008 20:35,Harvard_Jean,RQ: there is a chinese test in the beginning of the year
4/16/2008 20:36,Harvard_Jessica,RQi: there are placement tests
4/16/2008 20:36,Harvard_Jean,RQ: they suggest courses
4/16/2008 20:36,havenofperdition329,or could we just take english
4/16/2008 20:36,Harvard_Rose,I'
4/16/2008 20:36,RQi1234,ahh i see
4/16/2008 20:36,HARVARD_MichaelR,RQi: Harvard has a lot of entry exams to help with placement ... and advisors to help
4/16/2008 20:36,Harvard_Jessica,"haven: yes, it must be a foreign lang..."
4/16/2008 20:36,sarahfc,never thought that Stanford fell in the same category as Harvard
4/16/2008 20:36,Harvard_Alex,"williams: great if you don't find professors after class, small classes, campus is in the middle of nowhere, but by and large a good time (example of a ""small liberal arts school"")"
4/16/2008 20:36,RQi1234,lol
4/16/2008 20:36,Harvard_Rose,"lol Too late. Sorry, pressed enter at the wrong time. =/"
4/16/2008 20:36,havenofperdition329,ok
4/16/2008 20:36,Harvard_Jean,the placement exams are more helpful than stressful
4/16/2008 20:36,ravenguild08,is the foreign language stuff difficult to complete?
4/16/2008 20:36,Harvard_Alex,Harvard/Stanford: Research Universities
4/16/2008 20:36,Harvard_Jean,"no, not at all"
4/16/2008 20:36,sb,"If your concentration is engineering, are all the courses necessary at Harvard or do most students have to cross-register?"
4/16/2008 20:36,Harvard_Alex,MIT/Caltech: tech schools
4/16/2008 20:36,KTC,Since we're on foreign language
4/16/2008 20:36,Harvard_Jessica,a lot of ppl think they're fun
4/16/2008 20:36,Harvard_Jessica,nd rewarding.
4/16/2008 20:36,Harvard_Jessica,^and
4/16/2008 20:36,HARVARD_MichaelR,Harvard is really emphasizing the global experience ...
4/16/2008 20:36,pban,to what level foreign lang do you have to go to?
4/16/2008 20:36,Harvard_Jean,raven: if you've taken a foreign language for 3-4 years it is pretty easy to place out; otherwise the courses here are fairly light
4/16/2008 20:36,KTC,is it possible/common for engineering majors to study abroad?
4/16/2008 20:37,HARVARD_MichaelR,and many eng concentrators find ways to go abroad
4/16/2008 20:37,ravenguild08,i see
4/16/2008 20:37,Harvard_Jessica,you just need a year.
4/16/2008 20:37,sarahfc,"you see, in Bangladesh, most people who haven't applied to the US only know two names"
4/16/2008 20:37,Rachel,what are the core requirements?
4/16/2008 20:37,Harvard_Jessica,doesn't matter what level.
4/16/2008 20:37,sarahfc,Harvard and MIT
4/16/2008 20:37,sarahfc,I see
4/16/2008 20:37,havenofperdition329,"one year, meaning three quarters right?"
4/16/2008 20:37,Harvard_Jessica,"Rachel: core reqts -- are you asking fundamentally what they are, or what you need to fulfill?"
4/16/2008 20:37,HARVARD_MichaelR,And foreign lang can come in handy for activiteis like engineers without borders
4/16/2008 20:37,Harvard_Jessica,2 semesters.
4/16/2008 20:37,Rachel,"what do you need to fulfill, sorry"
4/16/2008 20:37,HARVARD_MichaelR,I think they went to the Dominican Republic this past year
4/16/2008 20:37,PiliMayora -> Harvard_Alex,rachel you are asking question for me! you are a geniusss ! saving me time haha
4/16/2008 20:37,havenofperdition329,I thought harvard is quarter system
4/16/2008 20:37,sarahfc,I need to  know one thing concerning the foreign language requirement
4/16/2008 20:38,Harvard_Jean,haven: no; harvard is semester
4/16/2008 20:38,HARVARD_MichaelR,Haven: no it is a semester
4/16/2008 20:38,Harvard_Jessica,"rachel: they're changing it up in the coming years, but generally you take ~7 classes distributed among history, lit and arts, philosophy"
4/16/2008 20:38,ghsfish,unless divided
4/16/2008 20:38,sarahfc,"I am Bangladeshi, and my first language in Bangla/Bengali"
4/16/2008 20:38,havenofperdition329,I guess that makes my life easier
4/16/2008 20:38,HARVARD_MichaelR,sarah: our dean is from India
4/16/2008 20:38,ghsfish,that is sweet
4/16/2008 20:38,sarahfc,How do I meet the foreign language requirement
4/16/2008 20:38,sarahfc,?
4/16/2008 20:38,KTC,Is the Harvard chapter of Engineers Without Borders really active?
4/16/2008 20:38,Harvard_Jessica,hahaha
4/16/2008 20:38,sarahfc,"Oh, I read that"
4/16/2008 20:38,Harvard_Jessica,yes we are
4/16/2008 20:38,sb,I'm Indian!
4/16/2008 20:38,HARVARD_DeanDahleh,and do not forget there is a writing requirement espos 20
4/16/2008 20:38,BathingApe15,hey everyone
4/16/2008 20:38,Harvard_Jessica,we only started last april
4/16/2008 20:38,Harvard_Jean,sarah: have you taken a language in high school?
4/16/2008 20:38,Harvard_Rose,"Hello, ah, BathingApe!"
4/16/2008 20:38,Harvard_Alex,"MIT/Caltech have a certain type of student, they turn out great engineers, there's not a whole lot of flexibility in curriculum, etc"
4/16/2008 20:38,sb,Hi!
4/16/2008 20:39,sarahfc,I heard that he's nicknamed Venky
4/16/2008 20:39,BathingApe15,im Eli
4/16/2008 20:39,HARVARD_MichaelR,Hi new folks ... welcoe to the chat
4/16/2008 20:39,sarahfc,yes
4/16/2008 20:39,sarahfc,Bangla
4/16/2008 20:39,Daisy Miller,nice handle
4/16/2008 20:39,HARVARD_MichaelR,sarah: yes ... he's terrific.
4/16/2008 20:39,Harvard_Jean,hi eli
4/16/2008 20:39,sarahfc,in Grades 9 and 10
4/16/2008 20:39,Harvard_Jessica,regarding ewb: we always need more members.
4/16/2008 20:39,KTC,Cool.
4/16/2008 20:39,BathingApe15,aaaah the sounds are so annoying
4/16/2008 20:39,BathingApe15,how do i remove them?
4/16/2008 20:39,Harvard_Alex,Stanford/Harvard have many different departments both liberal arts and science all of which are world renouned
4/16/2008 20:39,KTC,That's something I really want to do in college.
4/16/2008 20:39,HARVARD_MichaelR,And there's a new interactive media group as well (lots of gamers!)
4/16/2008 20:39,Harvard_Jean,sarah: so passing the foreign language requirement is like equivalent to getting above 650 or 700 on the SAT II; at least that's what they told us our year
4/16/2008 20:39,KTC,@BathingApe - turn off your speakers.
4/16/2008 20:39,BathingApe15,hahaha good call
4/16/2008 20:39,BathingApe15,thanks
4/16/2008 20:39,Harvard_Jessica,"or you can change it in ""options"""
4/16/2008 20:39,KTC,you're welcome.
4/16/2008 20:40,Harvard_Jean,"sarah: if you think you can do that, you might want to brush up for the placement tests if you want to place out--otherwise just take a year of language, which is also a good thing to do"
4/16/2008 20:40,Harvard_Alex,"as a result the students that go to Harvard/Stanford are very diverse and come from a much wider range of backgrounds, have more interests and are generally more interesting"
4/16/2008 20:40,havenofperdition329,Just wondering...when do we choose our classes?
4/16/2008 20:40,HARVARD_MichaelR,"Even in engineering, you can start at any level ..."
4/16/2008 20:40,PiliMayora,good one!
4/16/2008 20:40,Harvard_Jessica,the first wk of the semester.
4/16/2008 20:40,sarahfc,"I see, so unles I know languages like French, Korean , Japanese, German"
4/16/2008 20:40,Harvard_Jean,haven: there is a shopping week the first week of semester
4/16/2008 20:40,Rachel,what
4/16/2008 20:40,sarahfc,I can't place out?
4/16/2008 20:40,havenofperdition329,wow that's pretty late
4/16/2008 20:40,Rachel,oops
4/16/2008 20:40,Harvard_Jessica,"so we have a shopping period, in which you go to the classes you're interested in"
4/16/2008 20:40,KTC,I speak Japanese. It rocks.
4/16/2008 20:40,Harvard_Jean,"haven: at the end of the week, you pick which one syou liked"
4/16/2008 20:40,Rachel,what's the process for choosing?
4/16/2008 20:40,Harvard_Alex,I would argue that the Stanford/Harvard experience is a better educational environment because you become a more well rounded person
4/16/2008 20:40,Harvard_Jean,"during shopping week, you go to every class you like"
4/16/2008 20:40,havenofperdition329,icic
4/16/2008 20:40,Rachel,"nvm, you answered it"
4/16/2008 20:40,yanniskb,how hard are the maths in the freshman year? If you want to go engineering is there a lot of difficult maths in tha firrst year?
4/16/2008 20:41,HARVARD_MichaelR,"Rachel: well ... you shop, explore, and talk to your advisors ..."
4/16/2008 20:41,Harvard_Jean,"some classes are big and have a lottery, but those are rare"
4/16/2008 20:41,HARVARD_MichaelR,yann: you can start in various math ...
4/16/2008 20:41,pban,what if you've already taken multivariable calc?  can you place out?
4/16/2008 20:41,Harvard_Alex,"Stanford has better weather than Harvard, but Harvard is better known around the world...so its basically a toss up"
4/16/2008 20:41,HARVARD_MichaelR,from 1x to 55
4/16/2008 20:41,Harvard_Jean,like _really_ popular core classes will have a lottery--the art of film has a lottery every year
4/16/2008 20:41,Harvard_Rose,"Hehe, I took two years of Japanese in high school. It IS awesome. =)"
4/16/2008 20:41,Harvard_Jessica,"yanniskb: not necessarily, though it can be as difficult as you like"
4/16/2008 20:41,Harvard_Alex,;-)
4/16/2008 20:41,KTC,I'm on my fourth. I think I want to get a Language Citation or do a secondary concentration in East Asian Studies.
4/16/2008 20:41,HARVARD_MichaelR,I think that is right: you can choose your own adventure at Harvard ;)
4/16/2008 20:41,havenofperdition329,"for the language requirement, is it two semesters of the same language or can they be different"
4/16/2008 20:41,Harvard_Jean,pban: i'm not sure that you can place out of multivariable calc w/o a good reason--you could always take a more theoretical math
4/16/2008 20:41,BathingApe15,"i wish i spoke japanese, i went to japan when i was younger but haven't practiced since then :-("
4/16/2008 20:41,sarahfc,Ok
4/16/2008 20:41,HARVARD_ProfessorManoharan,"pban: there is a math placement ""test"" that gives a good idea of what math course you might start in"
4/16/2008 20:42,sarahfc,that's informative
4/16/2008 20:42,EvanCz,I took a couple of Japanese courses too!
4/16/2008 20:42,Harvard_Alex,(Needless to say I'm completely biased)
4/16/2008 20:42,yanniskb,harvJessica: I see.. But you dont have to already know enerything :-) There is a chance to learn it there
4/16/2008 20:42,sarahfc,quite naturally
4/16/2008 20:42,pban,"oh ok...yeah, I've taken honors analysis (single var) and multivar at the state university"
4/16/2008 20:42,Harvard_Jessica,yann: yes
4/16/2008 20:42,Harvard_Jessica,yes: don't worry
4/16/2008 20:42,Rachel,pban: I have a friend at Harvard who says a lot of his classmates have taken multivariable
4/16/2008 20:42,Rachel,he's in 23
4/16/2008 20:42,Harvard_Jean,pban: there is a test but it doesn't give you recommendations past 21--
4/16/2008 20:42,HARVARD_MichaelR,As enginering is going global ... knowing both a foreign lang and foreign culture is important
4/16/2008 20:42,Harvard_Jessica,i took multi in high school too
4/16/2008 20:42,Harvard_Jean,"pban: you decide whether you want to take 21, 23, or 55"
4/16/2008 20:42,Harvard_Jessica,but i took it again anyway
4/16/2008 20:42,BathingApe15,ive only taken calc BC
4/16/2008 20:42,three,do you get credit for dual enrollment
4/16/2008 20:42,Harvard_Jean,*or 25
4/16/2008 20:42,BathingApe15,forgive my ignorance but is multivariable the next step up?
4/16/2008 20:42,KTC,yep.
4/16/2008 20:42,sarahfc,[img id=em-9]
4/16/2008 20:43,Harvard_Rose,Hiya Zrait!
4/16/2008 20:43,Harvard_Alex,What do you want to do with your life?
4/16/2008 20:43,sarahfc,"well, at the moment"
4/16/2008 20:43,pban,thanks
4/16/2008 20:43,HARVARD_MichaelR,Don't sweat about the math placement ... you'll have time to figure things out once you get here ...
4/16/2008 20:43,zrait,Hi
4/16/2008 20:43,Harvard_Jean,i took math 23 and thought it was the appropriate class to take--if you want to do computer science it is recommended that you take a math class w/ proofs.  i had taken linear algebra in high school but theoretical linear algebra was quite different.
4/16/2008 20:43,sarahfc,I am still quite undecided
4/16/2008 20:43,sarahfc,When I was really little
4/16/2008 20:43,Harvard_Alex,(don't worry I won't report it to admissions) kidding kidding!
4/16/2008 20:43,Harvard_Jean,"the best way to decide is to ""shop"" the courses the first week and see which one feels right."
4/16/2008 20:43,sarahfc,like 9 year's old
4/16/2008 20:43,sb,Hello DanielVillafana!
4/16/2008 20:43,Rachel,"what are the differences between 21, 23, 25, 55?"
4/16/2008 20:43,Harvard_Jean,in terms of math--and everything else.
4/16/2008 20:43,BathingApe15,so what kinds of opportunities are there for undergraduate research?
4/16/2008 20:43,HARVARD_DeanDahleh,there is a harvard math placement exam
4/16/2008 20:43,pban,ah man I had the hardest time with proofs...analysis set me off math for awhile earlirh tis year haha
4/16/2008 20:43,BathingApe15,in engineering
4/16/2008 20:44,Harvard_Jessica,increasing difficulty/theoretical
4/16/2008 20:44,yzhan,"academically, is there an advantage for choosing harvard over mit for engineering? Or do most students choose for other reasons (fin aid, culture, etc)"
4/16/2008 20:44,HARVARD_ProfessorManoharan,so who wants to explain shopping week?
4/16/2008 20:44,KTC,I took CompSci AB last year and got a 5 on the AP. Is it possible to place out of whatever the intro compsci class is?
4/16/2008 20:44,Harvard_Jean,21 is not theoretical; 23 is the lowest-level theoretical course; 25 is much more work than 23; 55 is for math whizes
4/16/2008 20:44,HARVARD_MichaelR,"Bath: lots of opportunities ... you can work in labs, you can work through PRISE (a new summer program) ... or you can even work for local companies"
4/16/2008 20:44,BathingApe15,hey yzhan im also considering mit....
4/16/2008 20:44,Daisy Miller,ditto
4/16/2008 20:44,KTC,...me too...
4/16/2008 20:44,Rachel,me too
4/16/2008 20:44,BathingApe15,so yeah i'd be interested to hear about that
4/16/2008 20:44,DanielVillafana -> Harvard_Alex,"mit, me too"
4/16/2008 20:44,Rachel,wow
4/16/2008 20:44,Harvard_Jessica,haha
4/16/2008 20:44,Harvard_Jessica,ok
4/16/2008 20:44,Harvard_Jessica,mit
4/16/2008 20:44,pban,"hey yeah me too, conrsideing MIT too"
4/16/2008 20:44,KTC,lol
4/16/2008 20:44,BathingApe15,lol
4/16/2008 20:44,Harvard_Jean,"during shopping week, people go to courses that they might want to take--lecture continues as usual"
4/16/2008 20:44,ravenguild08,caltech
4/16/2008 20:44,Harvard_Alex,yzhan: generally harvard has lots more choices in terms of classes and is more flexible overall than MIT
4/16/2008 20:44,Harvard_Jessica,"ummm, i have a lot of friends from high school at mit"
4/16/2008 20:44,sarahfc,or was it 12?
4/16/2008 20:44,Harvard_Jessica,they like it there
4/16/2008 20:44,sb,stanford
4/16/2008 20:44,sarahfc,anyway
4/16/2008 20:44,EvanCz,I think I'm the only one who isn't
4/16/2008 20:44,HARVARD_MichaelR,I would definitely visit both ... to get a sense of the different cultures ...
4/16/2008 20:44,RQi1234,am i the only one not considering mit here>?
4/16/2008 20:44,DanielVillafana,stanford too..........
4/16/2008 20:45,sarahfc,I really wanted to be a neurosurgeon
4/16/2008 20:45,Daisy Miller,yup
4/16/2008 20:45,Harvard_Jessica,but they're very different places.
4/16/2008 20:45,Rachel,stanford for me too!
4/16/2008 20:45,PiliMayora,meneither!
4/16/2008 20:45,Harvard_Jean,"it is _very_ possible to place out of intro CS, as the requirements are flexible"
4/16/2008 20:45,sarahfc,Epstein was like my idol
4/16/2008 20:45,BathingApe15,how often to people actually take advantage of the harvard/mit relationship?
4/16/2008 20:45,HARVARD_MichaelR,And Stanford ... has that West Coast vibe ...
4/16/2008 20:45,sarahfc,Fred Epstein
4/16/2008 20:45,BathingApe15,have any of you taken classes at mit?
4/16/2008 20:45,Daisy Miller,stanford me too....but MIT's higher on my list
4/16/2008 20:45,Harvard_Jean,"i did robocup, a harvard/MIT autohomous robotic soccer league--and i was at MIT almost every week"
4/16/2008 20:45,DanielVillafana,well i am from the west coast..east coast sounds exotic!
4/16/2008 20:45,KTC,Ew. West Coast. (I'm from NY)
4/16/2008 20:45,HARVARD_MichaelR,Bath: quite a bit ... Boston is such a university town ...
4/16/2008 20:45,HARVARD_DeanDahleh,I think I haved only had one student take a course at mit this year
4/16/2008 20:45,Harvard_Alex,BathingApe15: freshman year I worked in an MIT tissue engineering lab
4/16/2008 20:45,Harvard_Jean,"i also chose b/w harvard, MIT, and stanford"
4/16/2008 20:45,yanniskb,when can you start taking courses in mit? Freshman year or later?
4/16/2008 20:45,Harvard_Rose,"Hehe, I'm from the West Coast too!"
4/16/2008 20:45,Harvard_Jean,stanford is weird and you can always go to MIT for grad school--like i am doing :D
4/16/2008 20:46,havenofperdition329,same here!!!
4/16/2008 20:46,Harvard_Jessica,"hey hey, i'm going to caltech for grad school"
4/16/2008 20:46,pban,Harvard finaid blew MIT's finaid out of the water though...Harvard's was awesome
4/16/2008 20:46,Harvard_Jessica,no cali-bashing
4/16/2008 20:46,Harvard_Jean,you can take MIT courses wehenver you want
4/16/2008 20:46,sb,I'm from the west coast too!
4/16/2008 20:46,three,"for those who chose harvard over mit, how did you decide?"
4/16/2008 20:46,Harvard_Rose,"Hehe, hey, I'm from California! =D"
4/16/2008 20:46,Harvard_Jessica,i just wanted something different
4/16/2008 20:46,Harvard_Jean,i lived in LA last summer and loved it--california is great
4/16/2008 20:46,KTC,lol
4/16/2008 20:46,havenofperdition329,CA rules!
4/16/2008 20:46,Daisy Miller,I second three's question
4/16/2008 20:46,Harvard_Jessica,and i didn't want to commit to a techschool
4/16/2008 20:46,Harvard_Jean,stanford is just not for me :)
4/16/2008 20:46,HARVARD_MichaelR,Jessica: congrats! I though you were off to the UK
4/16/2008 20:46,sb,Washington State
4/16/2008 20:46,Harvard_Alex,three: the students. come to visiting weekend.
4/16/2008 20:46,Harvard_Jessica,and kieep my options open
4/16/2008 20:46,three,"cool, thanks"
4/16/2008 20:46,Harvard_Rose,My roommate's from Washington state.
4/16/2008 20:46,Harvard_Jessica,i'm going caltech phd after the uk
4/16/2008 20:46,BathingApe15,i will be at visiting weekend for sure
4/16/2008 20:46,Rachel,my brother goes to caltech
4/16/2008 20:46,sb,Cool :-)
4/16/2008 20:46,yzhan,"I'm just worried 'cause there are a lot less engineers at Harvard, so I dunno if there are as many resources I guess? (compared to MIT)"
4/16/2008 20:46,KTC,"I'm sure CA is great. I've never been further west than PA, so I can't really talk. XP"
4/16/2008 20:46,HARVARD_MichaelR,Jessica: that's great ... congrats.
4/16/2008 20:46,zrait,I'm from Washington state as well...
4/16/2008 20:46,BathingApe15,then only four days after that to decide....
4/16/2008 20:47,sb,Zach!
4/16/2008 20:47,Harvard_Jessica,thanks
4/16/2008 20:47,Daisy Miller,I'm also worried that Harvard doesn't hack :)
4/16/2008 20:47,HARVARD_MichaelR,"Honestly, whathever place you decide ... they are all first rate"
4/16/2008 20:47,HARVARD_ProfessorManoharan,"yzhan: the resources *per person* are incredible at Harvard.  we are smaller, though"
4/16/2008 20:47,Rachel,"yeah, hacking at MIT is a big draw"
4/16/2008 20:47,Harvard_Jean,so actually
4/16/2008 20:47,HARVARD_MichaelR,Daisy: there are definitely hackers are Harvard ...
4/16/2008 20:47,zrait,sb?
4/16/2008 20:47,sb,Shruthi
4/16/2008 20:47,Harvard_Jean,"yeah, harvard doesn't hack as much as MIT"
4/16/2008 20:47,HARVARD_DeanDahleh,we have a great faculty student ration 1 tp 5
4/16/2008 20:47,Harvard_Jessica,harvard doesn't hack because we've got better things to do with our time ;)
4/16/2008 20:47,sarahfc,I read articles on Reader's Digest
4/16/2008 20:47,three,>_>
4/16/2008 20:47,BathingApe15,so is this chat free for non engineering related questions?
4/16/2008 20:47,HARVARD_MichaelR,Somone dressed up John Harvard as Master Chief ... that was hilarious.
4/16/2008 20:47,BathingApe15,or do we want to keep it focused?
4/16/2008 20:47,BathingApe15,hhahah i saw that on digg
4/16/2008 20:47,KTC,I saw the photo of that.
4/16/2008 20:47,Daisy Miller,hacking's pretty non-engineer
4/16/2008 20:47,BathingApe15,that was well done
4/16/2008 20:47,Harvard_Jean,daisy: do you mean hack as in pull pranks or hack as in hack code?
4/16/2008 20:47,Harvard_Jean,bathing: do what you want
4/16/2008 20:48,sarahfc,"and I thought I'd really like to be a surgeon, more specifically a neurosurgeon."
4/16/2008 20:48,BathingApe15,haha thanks jean
4/16/2008 20:48,HARVARD_MichaelR,Daisy: we have a lot of our faculty from MIT ...
4/16/2008 20:48,Harvard_Alex,ok
4/16/2008 20:48,Daisy Miller,hack as in pranks...although coding hack would be cool too
4/16/2008 20:48,BathingApe15,"i was wondering how harvard felt politcally, are there a lot of apathetics or are people pretty partisan?"
4/16/2008 20:48,sarahfc,"Btw, is medical school in the US really expensive for international students?"
4/16/2008 20:48,Harvard_Jessica,haha
4/16/2008 20:48,havenofperdition329,"just FYI, how efficient is the transportation at Harvard?"
4/16/2008 20:48,sarahfc,are there scholarships available
4/16/2008 20:48,sarahfc,?
4/16/2008 20:48,Harvard_Jessica,bathing: it's a good mix
4/16/2008 20:48,HARVARD_MichaelR,"Bath: I think politically, it is all over the map ... but definitely passionate ... meaning, people take it seriously ..."
4/16/2008 20:48,Harvard_Jessica,"bathing: as you might expect, a lot of people are extremely passionate about politics"
4/16/2008 20:48,KTC,The T is pretty nice.
4/16/2008 20:48,Rachel,do people go into Boston a lot?
4/16/2008 20:48,zrait,"This may have been addressed already, but I'm curious about undergraduate research in Comp. Sci."
4/16/2008 20:49,Harvard_Jean,"bathing: people (or my friends) are definitely quite active.  my roommate was president of the college democrats, so this my affect my views on ""people at harvard..."" one of my freshman floormates also led this anarchist group..."
4/16/2008 20:49,three,lol
4/16/2008 20:49,Daisy Miller,:)
4/16/2008 20:49,KTC,lol
4/16/2008 20:49,EvanCz,lol
4/16/2008 20:49,Harvard_Alex,My girl friend is canadian and got a full scholarship to Stanford medical school...so there are
4/16/2008 20:49,RQi1234,haha
4/16/2008 20:49,Harvard_Jessica,bathing: one of my friends spent the summer getting beaten by cops in argentina.
4/16/2008 20:49,Harvard_Jean,zrait: i do comp. sci.--i did a senior thesis on programming languages; my advisor is going to have 2 undergrads working w/ him this summer
4/16/2008 20:49,BathingApe15,"right, that's great. when i visited mit a lot of students said that many people were fairl apathetic"
4/16/2008 20:49,BathingApe15,wow that's intense
4/16/2008 20:49,HARVARD_MichaelR,"Unlike the media says, Harvard is not all leftish ..."
4/16/2008 20:49,Harvard_Alex,they are obviously hard to get thought
4/16/2008 20:49,pban,what do undergrads do in regards to research for EE?
4/16/2008 20:49,Harvard_Jean,"zrait: if you find something that interests you, or a prof who interests you, it's pretty easy to get started"
4/16/2008 20:49,HARVARD_ProfessorZickler,zrait: I do research in computer vision and have sophomores and juniors doing research in my lab
4/16/2008 20:49,Harvard_Alex,*though
4/16/2008 20:49,sarahfc,how hard?
4/16/2008 20:49,BathingApe15,i remember when i went to guatemala i got a picture with some state police who seriously looked like they used to be a death squad....
4/16/2008 20:49,sarahfc,would you say?
4/16/2008 20:49,Harvard_Jean,zrait: the cs faculty are _extremely_ nice
4/16/2008 20:49,BathingApe15,pretty safe there now though
4/16/2008 20:50,KTC,"This may be a strange question, but do engineering students do research in other fields as well?"
4/16/2008 20:50,HARVARD_MichaelR,"pban: in EE ... folks are working on microrobotics, computer vision, nanophotonics"
4/16/2008 20:50,sarahfc,what work would be required
4/16/2008 20:50,Harvard_Alex,1:200 of people who get in
4/16/2008 20:50,Harvard_Jessica,ktc: what do you mean?
4/16/2008 20:50,HARVARD_MichaelR,"KTC: Absolutely ... esp. chem, medical, etc."
4/16/2008 20:50,sarahfc,what would I need to do
4/16/2008 20:50,sarahfc,?
4/16/2008 20:50,Harvard_Jean,i considered doing economics as a freshman but the CS department was so friendly that i dropped ec
4/16/2008 20:50,zrait,Thanks!
4/16/2008 20:50,HARVARD_ProfessorManoharan,ktc: I have three engineering students in my lab working on chemistry and physics projects
4/16/2008 20:50,three,what kind of careers do cs people pursue?
4/16/2008 20:50,HARVARD_MichaelR,Most engineering is fairly mixed across disciplines ...
4/16/2008 20:50,Harvard_Alex,which is 7%...you can do the math :-)
4/16/2008 20:50,HARVARD_DeanDahleh,students do research in science labs as well as the medical school
4/16/2008 20:50,Rachel,also what careers do math people pursue
4/16/2008 20:50,havenofperdition329,what courses do we have to take if we want to combine engineering with management
4/16/2008 20:50,KTC,like applying the principles of engineering to do research in another field like chemistry or geology.
4/16/2008 20:50,Harvard_Jean,also--i did research in computational biology one summer at harvard med school before discovering my love of programming languages
4/16/2008 20:50,HARVARD_MichaelR,"Three: lots ... some end up at Google, some end up in i-banking, some in grad school"
4/16/2008 20:50,three,cool
4/16/2008 20:50,Harvard_Rose,Hiya Hemiola!
4/16/2008 20:51,Harvard_Jean,rachel: math gets you any job you want ;)
4/16/2008 20:51,Harvard_Alex,you have to (1) get good grades (2) work in a research lab (3) do medically related volunteer work (4) get good MCAT scores
4/16/2008 20:51,hemiola,hi everyone
4/16/2008 20:51,sb,Hi
4/16/2008 20:51,BathingApe15,hey hemiola
4/16/2008 20:51,KTC,hiya.
4/16/2008 20:51,Harvard_Jean,actually after being at harvard i realized that concentrating in anything pretty  much gets you a decent job...
4/16/2008 20:51,HARVARD_MichaelR,A number of our faculty in fact were former undergrads at Harvard ... studying computer science.
4/16/2008 20:51,sarahfc,I see
4/16/2008 20:51,Harvard_Alex,luckilly Harvard med school (the best in the USA) is here
4/16/2008 20:51,Harvard_Alex,and so there are many medically related oportunities
4/16/2008 20:51,sarahfc,medically related volunteer work?
4/16/2008 20:51,Harvard_Jean,"re faculty: like mitzenmacher, seltzer, shieber, vadhan..."
4/16/2008 20:51,sb,hi sean
4/16/2008 20:51,Harvard_Rose,Hello Sean!
4/16/2008 20:51,PiliMayora,what about applied maths? i was told it was very very difficult!
4/16/2008 20:51,yanniskb,I am interested in the Neurobiology-Neuroscince majors. What career can one pursue after those?
4/16/2008 20:51,Harvard_Rose,"Noooo, sb beat me to it!!"
4/16/2008 20:51,Daisy Miller,"could you start your own company, or do you have to drop out to do that?"
4/16/2008 20:51,Daisy Miller,:-P
4/16/2008 20:51,sb,lol
4/16/2008 20:51,three,lol
4/16/2008 20:51,DanielVillafana,"i started to read the SEAS brochure, and i think im gonna forget about mit"
4/16/2008 20:51,havenofperdition329,LOL
4/16/2008 20:52,Harvard_Rose,"*glare, glare*"
4/16/2008 20:52,three,why
4/16/2008 20:52,Harvard_Jean,daisy: many people i know have startup-y things going on and they are still in school
4/16/2008 20:52,Harvard_Alex,see http://www.ocs.fas.harvard.edu/students/careers/medicine.htm
4/16/2008 20:52,HARVARD_MichaelR,"Yann: well, you can go to med school ... you can go into comp. modelling ... etc."
4/16/2008 20:52,DanielVillafana,but do i have to apply for seas seperately...is it too late!!!?
4/16/2008 20:52,Daisy Miller,nice!
4/16/2008 20:52,Harvard_Jean,daniel: no
4/16/2008 20:52,Harvard_Jean,daisy: are you set on CS?
4/16/2008 20:52,HARVARD_MichaelR,"Daniel: no ... everyone is admitted to the college, not to a school or a major"
4/16/2008 20:52,Harvard_Rose,Hiya Axva!
4/16/2008 20:52,sb,hi axva1663
4/16/2008 20:52,sb,no....
4/16/2008 20:52,Harvard_Alex,and http://www.ocs.fas.harvard.edu/students/careers/medicine.htm
4/16/2008 20:52,Harvard_Jean,daisy: i have many opinions on doing CS at harvard--if you have questions you should e-mail me! (jeanyang@fas.harvard.edu)
4/16/2008 20:52,HARVARD_MichaelR,You have plenty of time to declare what you want to study ...
4/16/2008 20:52,sb,rose beat me
4/16/2008 20:52,Harvard_Rose,Mwhaha. =D Yessss!
4/16/2008 20:52,sb,:-(
4/16/2008 20:52,sb,lol
4/16/2008 20:53,Harvard_Rose,Hehe. =D
4/16/2008 20:53,Daisy Miller,Thank you!
4/16/2008 20:53,axva1663,hello; is this the eng. chat?
4/16/2008 20:53,KTC,yep
4/16/2008 20:53,sb,yup
4/16/2008 20:53,axva1663,Ok
4/16/2008 20:53,HARVARD_MichaelR,ax: yep!
4/16/2008 20:53,pban,I have to go but thanks everyone!
4/16/2008 20:53,HARVARD_MichaelR,Fire away any questions ...
4/16/2008 20:53,sb,Hi hen
4/16/2008 20:53,Harvard_Jean,daisy: also if you want to see what i've taken you can find it here: http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~jeanyang/cs.htm
4/16/2008 20:53,Harvard_Rose,Hi Jen!
4/16/2008 20:53,sb,jen
4/16/2008 20:53,HARVARD_MichaelR,Bye pban!
4/16/2008 20:53,sb,oops
4/16/2008 20:53,Harvard_Alex,http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/~premed/applying.htm
4/16/2008 20:53,yanniskb,"What about the Mind Brain Behaviour department? Is it more psychology-, biology- or computer orientated? What can you do next?>"
4/16/2008 20:53,PiliMayora,"i'm from argentina and i'm not very familiar with the american abreviations! what does ""lol"" mean?"
4/16/2008 20:53,JenB,hi!
4/16/2008 20:53,KTC,Question for the students: I'm sure you guys have friends at other top colleges - does Harvard seem easier in comparison?
4/16/2008 20:53,HARVARD_ProfessorZickler,bye pban
4/16/2008 20:53,Harvard_Jessica,"oh, for those interested in research, there's going to be a poster and presentation research session about all kinds of research going on at harvard (not just science) -- it's 1-3pm on saturday 4/26 -- i'll be presenting"
4/16/2008 20:53,Harvard_Rose,Bye pban. Take care!
4/16/2008 20:53,Harvard_Jessica,you can check out the prgm that i've uploaded here: ftp://jshang@jessicashang.com/2008 Research Symposium Program.doc
4/16/2008 20:53,HARVARD_MichaelR,Yann: it is both bio and math based.... a
4/16/2008 20:53,EvanCz,laugh out loud
4/16/2008 20:53,Harvard_Jessica,oops
4/16/2008 20:53,Harvard_Jessica,wrong link
4/16/2008 20:53,Harvard_Jean,pili: lol == laught out loud
4/16/2008 20:53,Harvard_Jessica,haha.
4/16/2008 20:53,PiliMayora,thank youu!!
4/16/2008 20:53,sb,Cool..I'm interested in the presentation
4/16/2008 20:53,Harvard_Jessica,http://jessicashang.com/2008 Research Symposium Program.doc
4/16/2008 20:54,HARVARD_MichaelR,MMB ... is an intersting area ... but you can also get to brain science via bioengineering ...
4/16/2008 20:54,EvanCz,no problem
4/16/2008 20:54,Harvard_Alex,but there are many people to advise you on that
4/16/2008 20:54,sarahfc,"ok, so"
4/16/2008 20:54,Harvard_Jean,"if anyone interested in CS has questions after the chat, please e-mail me!  (jeanyang@fas.harvard.edu)"
4/16/2008 20:54,Harvard_Jessica,http://jessicashang.com/2008%20Research%20Symposium%20Program.doc
4/16/2008 20:54,Harvard_Jessica,there.
4/16/2008 20:54,axva1663,"What is the balance between theoretical study and laboratory work for the engineering (MechE, BioE, etc) curriculum?"
4/16/2008 20:54,yanniskb,Michael: and what careers are usually there if you finish that department?
4/16/2008 20:54,Harvard_Jean,"(as a post-thesis senior, i now have much more time to procrastinate)"
4/16/2008 20:54,HARVARD_MichaelR,"And keep in mind, an enginering background is a pefect set-up for medicine, neuroscience, and related areas."
4/16/2008 20:54,Harvard_Jessica,(i understand totally)
4/16/2008 20:55,sb,Good to know Michael
4/16/2008 20:55,HARVARD_MichaelR,Axv: it depends on whether you are part of the SB or AB
4/16/2008 20:55,BathingApe15,"i gtg, family member needs the comp, thanks everyone for all the info! (hopefully see a lot fo you during the visiting weekend)"
4/16/2008 20:55,Harvard_Jean,"(i can answer questions on computer science, research, computational biology, programming languages, google--i worked there last summer, running in boston, the weather)"
4/16/2008 20:55,PiliMayora,i'm interested in CS but more in applied maths! Can i do applied maths on CS?
4/16/2008 20:55,sarahfc,full rides are like 1/200 out of the 7% who apply
4/16/2008 20:55,Harvard_Jean,"yeah, people definitely combine applied math w/ CS"
4/16/2008 20:55,Harvard_Rose,"Thanks for coming, Bath! Take care. =)"
4/16/2008 20:55,HARVARD_ProfessorManoharan,bye bathingape
4/16/2008 20:55,sb,Do students go into business after engineering or do they generally continue in science?
4/16/2008 20:55,Harvard_Jessica,axva: can you be more specific?
4/16/2008 20:55,Harvard_Alex,yup
4/16/2008 20:55,sarahfc,what about partial rides?
4/16/2008 20:55,HARVARD_MichaelR,sb: many end up in management or business
4/16/2008 20:55,sarahfc,like 75%
4/16/2008 20:55,axva1663,BS
4/16/2008 20:55,Harvard_Alex,In a few years (in theory) medical school will be free
4/16/2008 20:55,sarahfc,or 50
4/16/2008 20:55,Harvard_Alex,or so they say
4/16/2008 20:55,sb,thanks Michael
4/16/2008 20:55,EvanCz,as in?
4/16/2008 20:55,sarahfc,really
4/16/2008 20:55,HARVARD_MichaelR,"In fact, most of the major CEOs of companies have engineering backgrounds (really -- that's from Forbes)"
4/16/2008 20:56,sarahfc,?
4/16/2008 20:56,sarahfc,where?
4/16/2008 20:56,Daisy Miller,"oh, thank you again, Jean"
4/16/2008 20:56,sarahfc,as in which website?
4/16/2008 20:56,Harvard_Jessica,axva: the SB track requires some design courses as part of the curriculum
4/16/2008 20:56,sb,wow
4/16/2008 20:56,Harvard_Jessica,"which gives you more ""practical"" experience"
4/16/2008 20:56,DanielVillafana,"i am set on applied math, but all i have is a calc bc background, is that enough?"
4/16/2008 20:56,Harvard_Alex,http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=522705
4/16/2008 20:56,HARVARD_MichaelR,and the SB requires a integrated project at the end ...
4/16/2008 20:56,Rachel,does the linguistics department have stuff related to computational linguistics?
4/16/2008 20:56,EvanCz,are there many design courses available for engineering kids?
4/16/2008 20:56,RQi1234,jessica: what about the ab track? is there a major differnce from the sb trac?
4/16/2008 20:56,Harvard_Alex,(at least at Harvard) other schools will probably be hard pressed to follow suit
4/16/2008 20:56,Harvard_Jessica,RQ: I'm AB
4/16/2008 20:56,zrait,"Did you just apply to work over the summer at Google, or did you take a different path to working there?"
4/16/2008 20:56,HARVARD_DeanDahleh,you can even start in math 1a and complete any of our degrees
4/16/2008 20:56,Harvard_Jean,"rachel: stuart shieber does computational linguistics (eecs.harvard.edu/~shieber, i believe)"
4/16/2008 20:56,HARVARD_MichaelR,daniel: you can enter AM from a wide vareity of math backgrounds...
4/16/2008 20:57,three,how does harvard engineering compare to mit or stanford engineering?
4/16/2008 20:57,axva1663,"In a given eng. class, are there projects/labs that accompany a certain topic covered?"
4/16/2008 20:57,Harvard_Jean,zrait: i applied for a summer internship
4/16/2008 20:57,Harvard_Jessica,"RQ: so there's a diff in course reqts, both by quantity and by content"
4/16/2008 20:57,Rachel,thanks Jean
4/16/2008 20:57,RQi1234,ok...
4/16/2008 20:57,Harvard_Jessica,"AB doesn't require design courses, though you can take them"
4/16/2008 20:57,HARVARD_MichaelR,three: mmm ... that's a tough one ... all provide a rigiours program ... but stanford and Harvard are in a liberal arts setting
4/16/2008 20:57,RQi1234,and is sb then more lab work?
4/16/2008 20:57,Harvard_Jessica,no.
4/16/2008 20:57,HARVARD_ProfessorZickler,axva: I teach an intro course in EE that has a weekly lab component.
4/16/2008 20:57,Harvard_Jessica,"well, i do a lot of lab work"
4/16/2008 20:57,PiliMayora,applied math is AB right?¡
4/16/2008 20:57,HARVARD_DeanDahleh,the sb is abet acrediated the ab is not
4/16/2008 20:58,yanniskb,"{a question somewhat irrelevant: If I want to get myself into medical reseasch (ie AIDS and stuff like that) is it best to major in premed, biology, biomed eng or sth else?"
4/16/2008 20:58,HARVARD_MichaelR,Pili: AM is an AB ...
4/16/2008 20:58,Harvard_Jessica,"which is more ""research"" oriented rather than ""developmt"" oriented"
4/16/2008 20:58,Harvard_Alex,"if you went to med school today, you take out very large loans, which you pay off over 10 years."
4/16/2008 20:58,RQi1234,"ook good, since i'd like to do that"
4/16/2008 20:58,PiliMayora,thank you Michaell
4/16/2008 20:58,RQi1234,thanks
4/16/2008 20:58,HARVARD_DeanDahleh,all degrees at Harvard are ab except for the sb in engineering
4/16/2008 20:58,zrait,Thanks. Is that a fairly common trend in the department (Harvard students participating in Silicon Valley internships over the summer)?
4/16/2008 20:58,HARVARD_MichaelR,Yann: there are research opportunities in those areas no matter what concentration you pursue ...
4/16/2008 20:58,axva1663,Is it like that for all other classes?
4/16/2008 20:58,Harvard_Jessica,"the AB is a good prep for grad school, as is the SB"
4/16/2008 20:58,yanniskb,thnx mixhael
4/16/2008 20:58,PiliMayora,and i can't do AM and engineering do I?
4/16/2008 20:58,KTC,Can I ask a blunt question?
4/16/2008 20:58,HARVARD_MichaelR,"A number of our bioengineers work in areas like stem cells, neuroscience, etc."
4/16/2008 20:58,Harvard_Jessica,ktc: fire away
4/16/2008 20:58,sb,Hi Helen
4/16/2008 20:58,HARVARD_ProfessorManoharan,"yannis: you'll get a good background with your first year classes, and you'll be fine doing engineering if you want to do med research"
4/16/2008 20:58,KTC,alright
4/16/2008 20:58,Helenp,hi!
4/16/2008 20:59,HARVARD_MichaelR,Hi helen!
4/16/2008 20:59,Harvard_Jessica,hi helen
4/16/2008 20:59,Harvard_Jean,hi helen
4/16/2008 20:59,hemiola,"i think i entered at the tail end of this discussion, but is anybody doing math/what's that like?"
4/16/2008 20:59,Daisy Miller,sean's scared of ktc's question
4/16/2008 20:59,Harvard_Jean,zrait: many ppl intern at google; more intern at microsoft
4/16/2008 20:59,yanniskb,Prof Manoharan: Do you mean SB Engineering?
4/16/2008 20:59,Harvard_Jessica,lol
4/16/2008 20:59,KTC,"I was accepted at a lot of top universities with really strong, really well known engineering programs. Why should I go to Harvard instead, especially when its engineering program seems weaker in comparison?"
4/16/2008 20:59,yzhan,hahahah :)
4/16/2008 20:59,HARVARD_MichaelR,Hem: we have an hour to go ... so ask away.
4/16/2008 20:59,PiliMayora,lol
4/16/2008 20:59,Harvard_Alex,its a topic for another night [img id=em-0]
4/16/2008 20:59,sarahfc,gosh
4/16/2008 20:59,Harvard_Jessica,ktc: good question
4/16/2008 20:59,HARVARD_ProfessorManoharan,yannis: either SB or AB
4/16/2008 20:59,KTC,(sorry for scaring people)
4/16/2008 21:00,sarahfc,that probably is the reason why some people I know
4/16/2008 21:00,HARVARD_MichaelR,"KTC: people tend to go to Harvard becuase, well, they want to go to Harvard ... meaning, typically the concentration per se isn't the reason"
4/16/2008 21:00,yzhan,KTC I wanted to ask a similar question but I was scared
4/16/2008 21:00,Harvard_Jessica,"well, it's a different experience entirely"
4/16/2008 21:00,Harvard_Jean,"ktc: i do computer science, but i chose harvard because i wanted a liberal arts education--for undergrad i wanted to be around all kinds of people, not just ppl w/ fairly narrow interests"
4/16/2008 21:00,Harvard_Jessica,what jean said :P
4/16/2008 21:00,Rachel,"I think that's why most of us are here, to ask that question..."
4/16/2008 21:00,Daisy Miller,it was just sean...don't worry
4/16/2008 21:00,sb,"I was scared too, lol"
4/16/2008 21:00,yanniskb,what are the advantages of AB? Sorry if it has already been answered..
4/16/2008 21:00,sarahfc,decided to take subjects like chem eng.
4/16/2008 21:00,Harvard_Jessica,"i think it's very important to get the ""world view"" rather than just science"
4/16/2008 21:00,sarahfc,or bio eng.
4/16/2008 21:00,Harvard_Jean,and definitely i think being around really interesting and smart peopel who do all sorts of things has made me much better at life in general
4/16/2008 21:00,sarahfc,instead of just premed
4/16/2008 21:00,Harvard_Jessica,which will become increasingly important
4/16/2008 21:00,Harvard_Jessica,"harvard shapes leaders, frankly."
4/16/2008 21:00,zrait,thanks
4/16/2008 21:00,sarahfc,so
4/16/2008 21:00,Harvard_Jean,this was what i wanted for undergrad
4/16/2008 21:00,HARVARD_ProfessorManoharan,"yannis: the AB degree is a lot more flexible, you have four fewer classes for instance"
4/16/2008 21:01,sarahfc,"if med school doesn't work out, they can always do something else"
4/16/2008 21:01,HARVARD_MichaelR,And our engineers do go on to similar careers as those at more technical institutions ...
4/16/2008 21:01,Harvard_Alex,"Harvard gives you access to incredible resources, financial, your fellow students, and (of course) the faculty. Mark Zuckerberg who started Facebook did Computer Science at Harvard for example..."
4/16/2008 21:01,yanniskb,thnx professo
4/16/2008 21:01,yanniskb,r
4/16/2008 21:01,KTC,"Yeah, I know his little sister."
4/16/2008 21:01,ravenguild08,it seems like people at harvard have well-rounded lives compared to mit and caltech students...
4/16/2008 21:01,Daisy Miller,as did Bill Gates...
4/16/2008 21:01,axva1663,Does Harvard offer a structured program for undergrad research? Something similar to MIT's Undergrad Research Oppor. Prog.?
4/16/2008 21:01,Helenp,you have fewer classes then you would have if you took engineering at a different school?
4/16/2008 21:01,HARVARD_MichaelR,"Again, we say this all the time ... but it is all about fit (where will a student be the happiest)."
4/16/2008 21:01,KTC,(Why do we keep bringing up Bill Gates when he dropped out?)
4/16/2008 21:01,Harvard_Jean,"i have 4 roommates, 2 of whom do english, 1 who does lit, and 1 who does religion.  3 of them write for the paper and one was president of the collge dems.  they have made me much smarter and more interesting--and this hasn't negatively affected my comput"
4/16/2008 21:01,RQi1234,lol
4/16/2008 21:01,Harvard_Alex,PRISE (http://www.priselink.harvard.edu/) is better than the UROP Program ;-)
4/16/2008 21:01,HARVARD_MichaelR,KTC: Ballmer stayed in !
4/16/2008 21:01,Harvard_Jessica,lol
4/16/2008 21:01,Harvard_Rose,Welcome back?
4/16/2008 21:01,Harvard_Alex,that's a strategy as well
4/16/2008 21:02,Harvard_Jessica,PRISE is fun
4/16/2008 21:02,yzhan,hey yeah I disconnected
4/16/2008 21:02,Daisy Miller,"(because he's fun to bring up, and we don't need to constantly explain who he is)"
4/16/2008 21:02,Harvard_Rose,=)
4/16/2008 21:02,KTC,Gotcha.
4/16/2008 21:02,Harvard_Jessica,(also he gave commencement speech here last year)
4/16/2008 21:02,DanielVillafana,can i do AM and english?
4/16/2008 21:02,Harvard_Jessica,(he still loves us :P)
4/16/2008 21:02,Daisy Miller,(that too)
4/16/2008 21:02,yzhan,Would you guys recommend Harvard for people who are just passionate about math/science?
4/16/2008 21:02,ravenguild08,"i mustve missed it, but what does am stand for?"
4/16/2008 21:02,sarahfc,she's in Oklahoma btw
4/16/2008 21:02,HARVARD_MichaelR,Applied Mathematics
4/16/2008 21:02,havenofperdition329,thanks a lot for the info!!! I have to go. Maybe I'll see most of you in the visiting program
4/16/2008 21:02,DanielVillafana,applied math
4/16/2008 21:03,Harvard_Alex,once you have a degree from harvard you can do just about anything
4/16/2008 21:03,HARVARD_ProfessorManoharan,"yzhan: yes, there are many people like that here"
4/16/2008 21:03,Harvard_Jessica,yzhan: sure
4/16/2008 21:03,Harvard_Jean,"so i was worried that harvard had a smaller CS department than stanford or MIT, but i have gotten a really good education--i interned at google, did other cool stuff, and go accepted at MIT, stanford, and berkeley (among others) for grad school"
4/16/2008 21:03,Harvard_Alex,people will always hire you
4/16/2008 21:03,sarahfc,"ok, another question concerning that"
4/16/2008 21:03,Harvard_Jessica,yzhan: i know a guy who's like 3-time IMO gold medalist
4/16/2008 21:03,ravenguild08,i see
4/16/2008 21:03,Harvard_Jessica,or more.
4/16/2008 21:03,sarahfc,"is it true, or is this another myth"
4/16/2008 21:03,Harvard_Jessica,i don't remember.
4/16/2008 21:03,Rachel,scary
4/16/2008 21:03,Harvard_Alex,because you went to harvard
4/16/2008 21:03,yzhan,"I just don't want to be around too many people who are like ""Ugh math/science are pointless etc etc"""
4/16/2008 21:03,sarahfc,that your grades at harvard don't matter
4/16/2008 21:03,Harvard_Rose,lol I've never heard that here. =D
4/16/2008 21:03,Harvard_Jean,"re what jessica said: i think harvard gets a lot of the math olympiad kids, which is a really good educational experience"
4/16/2008 21:03,sarahfc,when it comes to Harvard employing you
4/16/2008 21:03,HARVARD_MichaelR,And hey Natalie Portman went to Harvard ...
4/16/2008 21:03,sarahfc,sorry
4/16/2008 21:03,Harvard_Alex,its a bit more nuanced than that...
4/16/2008 21:03,sarahfc,I meant to say
4/16/2008 21:03,Harvard_Jessica,as did al gore
4/16/2008 21:03,Harvard_Jessica,woo
4/16/2008 21:03,sarahfc,employers hiring you
4/16/2008 21:04,hemiola,How possible is it to do math if you're not a three-time IMO medalist?
4/16/2008 21:04,yzhan,okay good =)
4/16/2008 21:04,EvanCz,lol
4/16/2008 21:04,HARVARD_ProfessorManoharan,yzhan: I have never heard that either
4/16/2008 21:04,Harvard_Jessica,hemiola: of course
4/16/2008 21:04,Harvard_Jean,yzhan: i think harvard is the school where people are most curious about learning in general--i was a teaching fellow for a theoretical comp sci course in which one of the best students did social studies
4/16/2008 21:04,HARVARD_MichaelR,"Hem: again, Harvard really welcomes students at ALL levels ... that's one of its truly great aspects"
4/16/2008 21:04,Harvard_Jessica,"hemiola: in fact, i tutored someone who was taking calc I their soph yr"
4/16/2008 21:04,Harvard_Alex,"obviously when a company (say Goldman Sachs a very big banking firm) is trying to decide between you and another harvard person, they'll look at your grades...but most people do extremely well here so its not really an issue"
4/16/2008 21:04,Harvard_Jessica,hemiola: and he switched from gov't to math that semester
4/16/2008 21:04,ravenguild08,"working off a harvard eng degree, how is it applying to grad school?"
4/16/2008 21:04,Harvard_Jessica,raven: just fine.
4/16/2008 21:05,Harvard_Jean,hem: yeah--there are peopel who decide to major in math after starting out in fairly basic courses
4/16/2008 21:05,sb,How does Harvard develop better leaders than other schools?
4/16/2008 21:05,JenB,haha im interested in math/science also! But I'm not really sure where I want to go with it...how will Harvard help me figure out what I could potentially do with that?
4/16/2008 21:05,sarahfc,"no, it's like"
4/16/2008 21:05,Harvard_Alex,I'm not sure if that answered your question
4/16/2008 21:05,ravenguild08,okay
4/16/2008 21:05,HARVARD_MichaelR,Raven: our students get into top programs ... two folks in this chat are off to MIT and Caltech ...
4/16/2008 21:05,sarahfc,will they take someone from Harvard with B grades
4/16/2008 21:05,Harvard_Alex,most people do work hard academically and do well as they did in high school
4/16/2008 21:05,sarahfc,"as opposed to say, Stanford with A grades?"
4/16/2008 21:05,KTC,I will totally go to Harvard if I get a starring role in the next Star Wars. Just putting that out there.
4/16/2008 21:05,HARVARD_MichaelR,JenB: Sure ... you have 4 years to decide ... and great resources ...
4/16/2008 21:05,sb,nice
4/16/2008 21:05,ravenguild08,"which is as good as it gets, haha"
4/16/2008 21:05,Harvard_Rose,"XD Nice, KTC."
4/16/2008 21:05,Harvard_Jessica,sb: because of the atmosphere
4/16/2008 21:05,Harvard_Alex,Its unlikely that you would graduate from here with B grades
4/16/2008 21:05,sb,"okay, thanks"
4/16/2008 21:05,Harvard_Alex,through a phenomenon called grade inflation
4/16/2008 21:06,Harvard_Jessica,sb: you're hanging out with very diverse people with diff opinions
4/16/2008 21:06,sarahfc,uh...
4/16/2008 21:06,Harvard_Jessica,sb: everyone's very passionate and driven about something
4/16/2008 21:06,sarahfc,I see
4/16/2008 21:06,Helenp,is it easy to switch from engineering to other progams if i decide to change my mind?
4/16/2008 21:06,Harvard_Jessica,"sb: and really, it's all kind of contagious :)"
4/16/2008 21:06,sb,good point
4/16/2008 21:06,Harvard_Alex,http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=214887
4/16/2008 21:06,HARVARD_MichaelR,Helen: yes ...
4/16/2008 21:06,sb,thanks!
4/16/2008 21:06,HARVARD_ProfessorZickler,sb: It's the culture here. I decided to come to Harvard as faculty because it is full of broad-minded people working on innovative solutions to interdisciplanary problems.
4/16/2008 21:06,Harvard_Jean,sb: harvard has a really intellectual atmosphere.  i have once woken up at 7 and found my roommate still up from debating some issue all night.l
4/16/2008 21:06,PiliMayora,can i change from AB to SB for example?¡
4/16/2008 21:06,Harvard_Alex,or the other half of the argument is well...everyone is just that smart
4/16/2008 21:06,Harvard_Alex,very easily
4/16/2008 21:06,Helenp,thats goofd
4/16/2008 21:06,HARVARD_MichaelR,"Pil: in most cases, yes ... but you do have to plan things for the SB given the more rigourous reqs."
4/16/2008 21:06,Helenp,*goof
4/16/2008 21:06,Harvard_Jessica,helen: but why would you ever switch :P
4/16/2008 21:07,JenB,what kind of class do you recommend trying at the Previews weekend?
4/16/2008 21:07,Harvard_Alex,I think its more like not all classes are equally hard and so you take the class that is at the right dificulty level for you
4/16/2008 21:07,sb,hours of sleep?
4/16/2008 21:07,KTC,Do you guys feel that the environment at Harvard is pretty competitive compared to other schools?
4/16/2008 21:07,PiliMayora,im between maths and engineering!
4/16/2008 21:07,PiliMayora,hah
4/16/2008 21:07,Helenp,"haha i dont know, ive never really done engineering before but i think it sounds interesting"
4/16/2008 21:07,Harvard_Jessica,"sb: it varies, of course"
4/16/2008 21:07,Daisy Miller,sleep is for the weak of heart and lacrosse players
4/16/2008 21:07,Harvard_Alex,"so not everyone takes ""physics for physics olympiad winners"" (Physics 16)"
4/16/2008 21:07,Harvard_Jean,jenb: i would go to an intro class to see what the freshmen are learning and then i would go to an upper-level class in something i find interesting to see what lies ahead.
4/16/2008 21:07,JenB,thanks!
4/16/2008 21:07,Harvard_Jessica,sb: depending on courseload
4/16/2008 21:07,yanniskb,{offtopic} does everybody live in double rooms? Are the rooms spacious enough?
4/16/2008 21:07,Harvard_Alex,there's also physics for the people who were physics wizs (Physics 15)
4/16/2008 21:07,Harvard_Alex,Physics for mere mortals (Physics 11)
4/16/2008 21:08,Harvard_Jessica,yann: it's really up to luck sometimes
4/16/2008 21:08,Harvard_Jean,"sb: freshman year, i went to bed at 11 pm and woke up at 7 every day.  i have since decided that does not make me happy, but i still get an average of 7 hours of sleep every night.  last year, i got maybe average 6."
4/16/2008 21:08,sb,"okay, thanks"
4/16/2008 21:08,Harvard_Alex,and Physics for biologists (Physics 1)
4/16/2008 21:08,HARVARD_MichaelR,"Yann: well, harvard is going to spend $1 billion (yeo) rennovating the entire dorm system"
4/16/2008 21:08,Harvard_Jessica,i average about 6
4/16/2008 21:08,Harvard_Jessica,"though now that i'm a second semester senior, between 7 and 8 :)"
4/16/2008 21:08,axva1663,"i know that harvard is more liberal arts oriented, so does that mean that i have to take several courses/requirements in that area?"
4/16/2008 21:08,Harvard_Alex,I get about 7
4/16/2008 21:08,Harvard_Rose,I get anywhere from five to ten hours of sleep. =D
4/16/2008 21:08,Harvard_Jessica,axva; yes.
4/16/2008 21:08,Harvard_Jean,yannis: i have had my own room since sophmore year.  i woudl say this is common among half the upper-class dorms; seniors usually get their own rooms.
4/16/2008 21:08,axva1663,what are the req.?
4/16/2008 21:08,HARVARD_MichaelR,axva: harvard does have general breadth reqs.
4/16/2008 21:08,Harvard_Jessica,"axva: we have a ""core reqt"""
4/16/2008 21:09,EvanCz,(I thought your question was good KTC)
4/16/2008 21:09,Harvard_Alex,soon to be renamed a general education requirement
4/16/2008 21:09,hemiola,"If I'm not sure I prefer applied or theoretical math, how would I decide between them? Take classes in both, or is there a course that gives a taste of both?"
4/16/2008 21:09,Harvard_Jessica,right..
4/16/2008 21:09,JenB,i'm interested in math/science and yet I feel like trying an intro course in an english or humaniities class where there's more discussions would be better to try at Previews...any advice?
4/16/2008 21:09,HARVARD_MichaelR,"Umm ... I think it is foreign lang, foreign cultures, quant reasoning, and ..."
4/16/2008 21:09,yanniskb,getting 6 hours of sleep means you dont want-need more or you cant sleep more because of studying??
4/16/2008 21:09,Harvard_Alex,see: http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2007/05.17/01-gened.html for details
4/16/2008 21:09,Harvard_Jean,"KTC: MIT has a reputation for being much more competitve than harvard.  the premeds are competitive here; everywhere else, less so."
4/16/2008 21:09,HARVARD_MichaelR,JenB: well you will likely take Expos (expository writing)
4/16/2008 21:09,Harvard_Jessica,"yann: i think everyone gets less sleep in college :)  you adapt, really, whether or not you're doing homework or doing something else like debating with friends"
4/16/2008 21:09,Harvard_Rose,Expos?! I love Expos! (random....)
4/16/2008 21:09,Rachel,MIT says their CS classes are more rigorous than harvard's
4/16/2008 21:09,Harvard_Jessica,i loved expos too!
4/16/2008 21:09,Harvard_Jean,"yannis: last year i decided to take math/comp sci courses for 3 of my 4 courses while being a teaching fellow for a CS course, so that ended up taking a lot of time.  but it was a personal lifestyle choice."
4/16/2008 21:10,Rachel,do harvard people agree?
4/16/2008 21:10,Helenp,"is engineering a lot of work, like muchmore conpared to other majors?"
4/16/2008 21:10,three,are there rankings at harvard?
4/16/2008 21:10,Harvard_Alex,Helenp: it's probably not a whole lot more than other sciences...but more than say government or economics
4/16/2008 21:10,Harvard_Jessica,"helen: it's definitely more work than most other concentrations, yes."
4/16/2008 21:10,HARVARD_MichaelR,Helen: eng is intense ... but it is balanced.
4/16/2008 21:10,Harvard_Alex,three: no
4/16/2008 21:10,three,thanks
4/16/2008 21:10,Harvard_Jean,rachel: i have also seen MIT people take CS courses here... MIT has more hackers but i think harvard undergrad is more theoretical for comp sci...
4/16/2008 21:11,JenB,is there only random roomate?
4/16/2008 21:11,sarahfc,haha
4/16/2008 21:11,HARVARD_MichaelR,Harvard has a long standing reputation in theoretical fields ... and increasingly is emphasizing applied ...
4/16/2008 21:11,Helenp,thanks. do you think this would be very hard to juggle with sports?
4/16/2008 21:11,Harvard_Jean,rachel: my friend who is really good at math said the harvard algorithms course was way more mathematical (hard)...  i personally have gotten a pretty solid education in comp sci here.
4/16/2008 21:11,Harvard_Jessica,"first year?  yes, they're random"
4/16/2008 21:11,KTC,"Question - I'm interested in EE, and I'm going to the prefrosh weekend. Who is the best person to talk to about the EE program at Harvard?"
4/16/2008 21:11,Harvard_Alex,JenB: freshman year its random...after that its your choice
4/16/2008 21:11,sarahfc,that's a funny way of putting it
4/16/2008 21:11,Harvard_Jean,re roommates: not random!  they choose very carefully!
4/16/2008 21:11,Rachel,thanks
4/16/2008 21:11,HARVARD_MichaelR,helen: just take up juggling (as a sport) ;)
4/16/2008 21:11,Harvard_Jessica,oooh yes.
4/16/2008 21:11,Harvard_Jean,i still live with my freshman roommates.  they did a really good job of putting together people with diverse interests who could get along well.
4/16/2008 21:11,JenB,thanks
4/16/2008 21:11,Harvard_Jessica,"after freshman year, choose your roommates wisely"
4/16/2008 21:11,HARVARD_ProfessorZickler,KTC: what do you want to know?
4/16/2008 21:11,HARVARD_MichaelR,KTC: Prof. Zicker is in EE
4/16/2008 21:12,Harvard_Jessica,very very very wisely :)
4/16/2008 21:12,KTC,Ah
4/16/2008 21:12,Harvard_Alex,its the same for math classes (and engineering classes)
4/16/2008 21:12,Helenp,haha i already know how to juggle!
4/16/2008 21:12,Harvard_Alex,you can start at whatever level is best for you
4/16/2008 21:12,HARVARD_MichaelR,helen: excellent!
4/16/2008 21:12,sarahfc,Jessica. I guess that's veiled advice
4/16/2008 21:12,Harvard_Alex,and is much more flexible than say MIT or Stanford
4/16/2008 21:12,Harvard_Jessica,lol
4/16/2008 21:12,sarahfc,please elaborate
4/16/2008 21:12,Harvard_Alex,I mean MIT or Caltech
4/16/2008 21:12,KTC,Where can I find out what the general plan of study for an EE major looks like?
4/16/2008 21:12,Harvard_Alex,Stanford I bellieve is about the same  in that respect
4/16/2008 21:12,Harvard_Jessica,"oh, well, i lived with someone my soph year"
4/16/2008 21:12,Harvard_Jessica,"we're friends, but our living styles were very different"
4/16/2008 21:12,sarahfc,what happens if i don't like my room mate
4/16/2008 21:12,Harvard_Jean,"rachel: for undergrad cs here they don't require that you learn things, but if you go about it right you can get a really good education.  i don't think i could do programming languages if i didn't have a rigorous education.  ;)"
4/16/2008 21:12,sarahfc,as in?
4/16/2008 21:12,Helenp,"but with meets and stuff, are the proffs understanding with that sort of thing?"
4/16/2008 21:13,HARVARD_MichaelR,KTC: see: http://www.seas.harvard.edu/academic/undergradstudy/engineeringsciences/index.html
4/16/2008 21:13,Harvard_Jessica,um...she had a boyfriend.  who was over. a lot.
4/16/2008 21:13,Harvard_Jessica,"also, she was craaaazy messy."
4/16/2008 21:13,HARVARD_MichaelR,And download the guidebooks ... they have sample schedule for each concentration
4/16/2008 21:13,Harvard_Jean,"sarah: i think you can requeste to transfer dorms freshman year.  you write that rooming essay, though--so it's okay."
4/16/2008 21:13,EvanCz,lol
4/16/2008 21:13,KTC,"Cool, thanks."
4/16/2008 21:13,Harvard_Jean,"sarah: also, i had 4 freshman roommates.  actually, one of them was terrible but we all thought so, so she just lived in a single and we did our own thing."
4/16/2008 21:13,sarahfc,"Gosh, that's freaky"
4/16/2008 21:13,Harvard_Jean,it is good to request more than 1 roommate so you can do such a thing.
4/16/2008 21:13,Harvard_Jessica,yes
4/16/2008 21:13,sarahfc,ok
4/16/2008 21:13,sarahfc,I see
4/16/2008 21:13,Harvard_Jessica,i moved into a much better blocking group
4/16/2008 21:14,Harvard_Jean,i would recommend requesting 2+ roommates.
4/16/2008 21:14,sarahfc,multiple roommates
4/16/2008 21:14,axva1663,is it hard to complete pre med req. when pursuing an eng. degree? and how many pre meds get into HMS?
4/16/2008 21:14,HARVARD_ProfessorZickler,"Helen: I often hav athletes in my class and have to schedule make-up exam, etc."
4/16/2008 21:14,sarahfc,what's better
4/16/2008 21:14,Harvard_Jessica,very happy for the past 2 years.
4/16/2008 21:14,sb,"have to go.  hopefully, I can get on later"
4/16/2008 21:14,sarahfc,I see
4/16/2008 21:14,sb,bye
4/16/2008 21:14,Harvard_Jean,i requested 4; it was a really good situation.
4/16/2008 21:14,sarahfc,like 3
4/16/2008 21:14,KTC,"And is there a distribution of what EE majors do after they graduate? (how many go into business, academia, etc.?)"
4/16/2008 21:14,Harvard_Alex,anyways...feel free to e-mail me bick@fas.harvard.edu if you have any other questions I can answer or myths that I can bust. I hope to see you here in Boston next year! :-)
4/16/2008 21:14,EvanCz,see ya
4/16/2008 21:14,RQi1234,second axva's questions
4/16/2008 21:14,HARVARD_MichaelR,KTC: I think it is fairly evenly split ...
4/16/2008 21:14,Harvard_Jessica,"i requested 2, but i ended up in a single my freshman year"
4/16/2008 21:14,HARVARD_DeanDahleh,about 1/3 of the concentrators in engineering and applied sciences are athletes
4/16/2008 21:14,yanniskb,do you people get the free time you need? I mean is the curriculum too demanding?
4/16/2008 21:14,yzhan,"I have to go too, but thanks for all the info guys =)"
4/16/2008 21:14,sarahfc,I think I will attend Harvard
4/16/2008 21:14,HARVARD_MichaelR,bye!
4/16/2008 21:14,Harvard_Alex,(even if you do go to mit)
4/16/2008 21:14,Harvard_Jessica,"yann: you make time, really.  you just have to learn to be more efficient"
4/16/2008 21:15,Harvard_Jean,"i think there is a lot of pressure not to have free time, but if you make it clear to yourself what you want and work efficiently you can have free time."
4/16/2008 21:15,sarahfc,part of the reason
4/16/2008 21:15,sarahfc,well
4/16/2008 21:15,JenB,is it hard to combine biology with psychology? or biology and math?
4/16/2008 21:15,sarahfc,you mean cross registration?
4/16/2008 21:15,HARVARD_ProfessorManoharan,axva: it;s not hard to balance eng and pre-med.  I have a student in physics and pre-med now who is going to HMS
4/16/2008 21:15,sarahfc,I guess
4/16/2008 21:15,HARVARD_MichaelR,JenB: there are secondary fields ...
4/16/2008 21:15,sarahfc,just curious
4/16/2008 21:15,Harvard_Alex,nah I mean just to say hi and meet you in person
4/16/2008 21:15,Harvard_Jean,jen: computational biology is an interesting combo of math/cs and bio.
4/16/2008 21:15,Helenp,"oh, thats good. im just worried that it will be tonnes of work and i wont be able to handle it all along with sports"
4/16/2008 21:15,Harvard_Alex,I enjoyed chatting with you
4/16/2008 21:15,sarahfc,oh
4/16/2008 21:15,sarahfc,"yes, of course"
4/16/2008 21:15,HARVARD_DeanDahleh,joint concentrations are popular and you can do math and biology through applied math
4/16/2008 21:15,sarahfc,me too
4/16/2008 21:15,Harvard_Jean,jen: i did comp bio reserach for a while; it was interesting.
4/16/2008 21:15,sarahfc,you dispelled a lot of myths
4/16/2008 21:15,JenB,how do the secndary feiled work?
4/16/2008 21:15,Harvard_Rose,"Hiya, ah, Stu."
4/16/2008 21:15,HARVARD_MichaelR,helen: harvard students are amazing at balancing tons of things ...
4/16/2008 21:15,JenB,secondary fields*
4/16/2008 21:16,DanielVillafana,"i am really worried about my chem background, is there any sort of summer bridge program?"
4/16/2008 21:16,Daisy Miller,"thats a terrible handle, I gotta say"
4/16/2008 21:16,KTC,"(Nice save, Rose!)"
4/16/2008 21:16,PiliMayora,about sports... how much do people (average) train?
4/16/2008 21:16,sarahfc,"for me, and told me a lot of things I don't get elsewhere off the website"
4/16/2008 21:16,Harvard_Rose,"(Hehe, thanks?)"
4/16/2008 21:16,Harvard_Jessica,daniel: don't worry about it
4/16/2008 21:16,HARVARD_MichaelR,jenb: secondary fields are like minors ... you have to take a set number of courses ...
4/16/2008 21:16,Harvard_Alex,Daniel: the intro chem classes (life science 1a) assume that you don't have any kind of a background
4/16/2008 21:16,sarahfc,"and i'd like to ask one  more thing, which class are youin"
4/16/2008 21:16,sarahfc,as in 2009
4/16/2008 21:16,HARVARD_MichaelR,And you can often combine areas in your thesis or final design projects ...
4/16/2008 21:16,sarahfc,2010?
4/16/2008 21:16,HARVARD_ProfessorManoharan,"daniel: PS1 is a great introductory chem course, and there is also LPS1 for people who want to ease into PS1 in a later semester"
4/16/2008 21:16,Harvard_Alex,2010. I'm a sophomore
4/16/2008 21:16,stupidarmz123,how cut throat are intro classes?
4/16/2008 21:17,KTC,On the off chance - have any of you guys taken a lot of classes in the East Asian Studies department?
4/16/2008 21:17,sarahfc,"the other thing, I don't know if you know this"
4/16/2008 21:17,Harvard_Jean,"daniel: it is also super easy to get peer tutoring, go to office hours for the classes, etc."
4/16/2008 21:17,HARVARD_ProfessorZickler,I supervised a senior thesis that combined math and music...
4/16/2008 21:17,JenB,"kk, is it hard to combine science and math if i'm not really into computer science?"
4/16/2008 21:17,Helenp,i guess im going to become efficient!
4/16/2008 21:17,DanielVillafana,thanks
4/16/2008 21:17,sarahfc,but who was my admissions officer?
4/16/2008 21:17,Harvard_Jean,stu: depends on the class; premed courses and ec courses tend to be more competitive
4/16/2008 21:17,KTC,(Why would you study CS then?)
4/16/2008 21:17,Harvard_Jessica,haha
4/16/2008 21:17,sarahfc,in the last chat
4/16/2008 21:17,HARVARD_DeanDahleh,secondary fields are betwen 4-6 course the rules are in the handbook
4/16/2008 21:17,Harvard_Jessica,i wasn't going to comment on premeds
4/16/2008 21:17,HARVARD_MichaelR,JenB: yes ... you can focus more on the applied math aspects of CS
4/16/2008 21:17,Harvard_Jessica,but jean did it anyway :)
4/16/2008 21:17,sarahfc,someone said it was Michael Hussey
4/16/2008 21:17,sarahfc,and another person said it was a James..
4/16/2008 21:17,Harvard_Jean,i was a premed for a semester
4/16/2008 21:17,Harvard_Jessica,ooooh.
4/16/2008 21:17,Harvard_Jessica,i'm sorry :P
4/16/2008 21:17,PiliMayora,and what happened?
4/16/2008 21:17,Harvard_Jean,i took 2 semesters of orgo--it was interesting material but the students were really... intense
4/16/2008 21:17,stupidarmz123,why did u change?
4/16/2008 21:17,Harvard_Jean,:P
4/16/2008 21:18,HARVARD_MichaelR,And most of our bioengineering track students end up completing their premed reqs
4/16/2008 21:18,Harvard_Jean,i also decided i really liked computer science
4/16/2008 21:18,Harvard_Rose,lol I'd be premed if it wasn't for the connotation attached to them.
4/16/2008 21:18,Harvard_Alex,I have no clue actually. The web chat tonight is separate from the admissions office. Admissions is done in a comittee so there could have been more than one...
4/16/2008 21:18,RQi1234,such as?
4/16/2008 21:18,Harvard_Jessica,well the premed thing is a stereotype
4/16/2008 21:18,KTC,(This explains a lot. My mom did premed at Harvard.)
4/16/2008 21:18,Harvard_Jean,(orgo == organic chemistry)
4/16/2008 21:18,Daisy Miller,"question about hacks, like the pranking kind; is there any of that at Harvard, and if so, how tough are the admins on the poor sops that get caught?"
4/16/2008 21:18,PiliMayora,lol
4/16/2008 21:18,Harvard_Jean,i actually have some premed friends who are really nice
4/16/2008 21:18,Harvard_Jessica,i know perfectly not-academically-perfectionist premds :)
4/16/2008 21:18,KTC,lol
4/16/2008 21:18,sarahfc,well
4/16/2008 21:18,Harvard_Alex,Daisy: who said we get caught?
4/16/2008 21:18,Helenp,haha
4/16/2008 21:18,sarahfc,i heard that there is one for every region of the US
4/16/2008 21:18,RQi1234,lol
4/16/2008 21:19,Daisy Miller,ach. Obviously I was under a misapprehension here
4/16/2008 21:19,sarahfc,and a couple for the internationals
4/16/2008 21:19,stupidarmz123,how many harvard undergrads get into harvard med anyway?
4/16/2008 21:19,Harvard_Jean,i have at least 2 friends who have gotten into harvard med
4/16/2008 21:19,Harvard_Jean,"since i don't have that many friends who are premeds, this is a pretty good indication"
4/16/2008 21:19,Harvard_Jessica,i know a few as well
4/16/2008 21:19,Harvard_Alex,Stupidarmz: I think its around 30
4/16/2008 21:19,ravenguild08,30 per year?
4/16/2008 21:19,Harvard_Alex,Its by far the largest group of any undergraduate college
4/16/2008 21:19,HARVARD_MichaelR,I remember someone building a cool snow fort at Harvard (that's a kind of hack ) ;
4/16/2008 21:19,Harvard_Alex,yup out of 160 or so
4/16/2008 21:20,HARVARD_ProfessorManoharan,what about squirrel fishing?
4/16/2008 21:20,Harvard_Jessica,"oh, snow fights = awesome"
4/16/2008 21:20,ravenguild08,thats a lot
4/16/2008 21:20,HARVARD_MichaelR,that's right ... squirrel fishing!
4/16/2008 21:20,KTC,i <3 squirrel fishing!
4/16/2008 21:20,Harvard_Rose,Hiya Bwilco!
4/16/2008 21:20,bwilco,why hello
4/16/2008 21:20,Harvard_Alex,sorry I can't help you with that one ...you can e-mail admissions and find out if you have more questions for them though
4/16/2008 21:20,HARVARD_MichaelR,The squirrels are not harmed ... :)
4/16/2008 21:20,Daisy Miller,what in the name of earthworms is squirrel fishing?
4/16/2008 21:20,Harvard_Jessica,the squirrels are vicious
4/16/2008 21:20,HARVARD_MichaelR,hi bwilco
4/16/2008 21:20,Harvard_Jessica,one jumped on me once
4/16/2008 21:20,DanielVillafana,"hey i dont really know anything about dorm life at harvard and i cant make it to the admit weekend, can someone link me to some info?"
4/16/2008 21:20,stupidarmz123,about 18% not bad
4/16/2008 21:20,Harvard_Jean,i have no clue what you guys are talking about with squirrel fishing
4/16/2008 21:20,JenB,ouch
4/16/2008 21:20,sarahfc,does going to Harvard college make it easier to go to Harvard med school
4/16/2008 21:20,Harvard_Jean,sarah: i don't think so
4/16/2008 21:20,bwilco,hey michael
4/16/2008 21:21,ravenguild08,"ive heard the same about berkeley squirrels, haha"
4/16/2008 21:21,Harvard_Jean,sarah: i don't think it makes it easier or harder--there are many factors
4/16/2008 21:21,HARVARD_MichaelR,Well ... you get some twine ... attach a peanut ... and then watch the critters climb up ... ho hooks!
4/16/2008 21:21,stupidarmz123,i heard percenttage wise its easier
4/16/2008 21:21,KTC,squirrel fishing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squirrel_fishing
4/16/2008 21:21,Helenp,ya squirrel fishing...
4/16/2008 21:21,stupidarmz123,but not necessarily
4/16/2008 21:21,Harvard_Jessica,"sarah: statistically, perhaps?  but it's never easy"
4/16/2008 21:21,Harvard_Rose,"Daniel, email me: rcao@fas.harvard.edu for a freshman perspective. =)"
4/16/2008 21:21,Harvard_Jean,stu: but percentages mean very little
4/16/2008 21:21,sarahfc,I guess
4/16/2008 21:21,sarahfc,after all
4/16/2008 21:21,DanielVillafana,thanks
4/16/2008 21:21,stupidarmz123,harvard wants kids from other schools
4/16/2008 21:21,Harvard_Jean,daniel: also feel free to e-mail me (jeanyang@fas) for a senior perspective
4/16/2008 21:21,sarahfc,how many people get into harvard college in the first place?
4/16/2008 21:21,stupidarmz123,fresh meat heehe
4/16/2008 21:21,stupidarmz123,lol
4/16/2008 21:21,Harvard_Alex,stupidarmz: many students here work closely with harvard medical school faculty ...which I guess helps a bit
4/16/2008 21:21,HARVARD_MichaelR,See: http://www.wafu.ne.jp/~yaz/en/squirrel_fishing.html
4/16/2008 21:21,KTC,7%
4/16/2008 21:21,Daisy Miller,7.10%
4/16/2008 21:22,KTC,...i round down.
4/16/2008 21:22,ravenguild08,198x
4/16/2008 21:22,ravenguild08,or so
4/16/2008 21:22,Daisy Miller,:-P
4/16/2008 21:22,EvanCz,i think it was 7.8
4/16/2008 21:22,Harvard_Jessica,that's right.  order of magnitude is all that matters :)
4/16/2008 21:22,EvanCz,lol
4/16/2008 21:22,stupidarmz123,my interviewer said 6.7% got accepted in my letter
4/16/2008 21:22,Daisy Miller,oh...so KTC rounded up
4/16/2008 21:22,Harvard_Rose,Hiya Xcrunner! (I think I missed ya when you entered.)
4/16/2008 21:22,Rachel,i heard 7.1
4/16/2008 21:22,xcrunner08,hi!
4/16/2008 21:22,EvanCz,it's low is the general concensus
4/16/2008 21:22,Harvard_Rose,^_^
4/16/2008 21:22,KTC,...i rounded. so I'm right either way.
4/16/2008 21:22,stupidarmz123,i have the letter right in front of me
4/16/2008 21:23,Harvard_Jessica,somehow i think quibbling about the % acceptance is...kind of odd.
4/16/2008 21:23,stupidarmz123,lol
4/16/2008 21:23,stupidarmz123,fine
4/16/2008 21:23,Harvard_Jean,clearly figuring out the appropriate percentage is the most important thing to do ;)
4/16/2008 21:23,xcrunner08,i have a question about frosh seminars
4/16/2008 21:23,Harvard_Jessica,exactly.
4/16/2008 21:23,Daisy Miller,I bow to your superior logic
4/16/2008 21:23,bwilco -> Harvard_Jessica,hey i wondered if i could ask about freshman year math classes
4/16/2008 21:23,Harvard_Jean,xc: yes!
4/16/2008 21:23,KTC,"it's division, people. not that hard."
4/16/2008 21:23,axva1663,how many people generally do eng.?
4/16/2008 21:23,HARVARD_MichaelR,For those admissions # junkies: see http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2008/04.03/99-admissions.html
4/16/2008 21:23,stupidarmz123,Exactly!
4/16/2008 21:23,xcrunner08,how easy to get in?
4/16/2008 21:23,Harvard_Rose,"Hiya, ah, Hiya?"
4/16/2008 21:23,xcrunner08,like do u get turned down a lot
4/16/2008 21:23,Harvard_Jean,so some seminars don't have high interest so it's easy to get in
4/16/2008 21:23,Harvard_Rose,"Welcome back, Stu."
4/16/2008 21:23,hiya,haha hi =)
4/16/2008 21:23,Harvard_Rose,^_^
4/16/2008 21:23,KTC,^_^v
4/16/2008 21:23,Harvard_Jean,"xc: my freshman seminar had 5 people, i think--it was ""the turing test: can machines think?"" or something like thta"
4/16/2008 21:23,stupidarmz123,i clicked that link
4/16/2008 21:23,Harvard_Jessica,i should mention that fresh. seminar is part of the reason why i got into engineering.
4/16/2008 21:24,Harvard_Jean,xc: but some seminars are really popular and therefore nearly impossible to get into
4/16/2008 21:24,Harvard_Rose,"lol, for a moment, I thought that was a sweatdrop, KTC."
4/16/2008 21:24,xcrunner08,i see
4/16/2008 21:24,HARVARD_DeanDahleh,there is  a time when you can sign up for seminars and me understanding is that most people get there first of second choice. There are a few which have interviews
4/16/2008 21:24,HARVARD_MichaelR,Freshman seminars are general interst courses ... in a broad array of areas
4/16/2008 21:24,KTC,nope. V for Victory. Or a peace sign.
4/16/2008 21:24,Harvard_Jean,"xc: i think, though, if you don't want to do something like ""theory of food: why we like it"" or something tha twould appel to everyone, chances are you can get in"
4/16/2008 21:24,Harvard_Rose,"Hehe, I figured. =)"
4/16/2008 21:24,KTC,^_^' = sweatdrop
4/16/2008 21:24,Harvard_Jean,*appeal
4/16/2008 21:24,stupidarmz123,hey harvard has a reputation that professors generally don't care as much about the undergrads as they do their grads
4/16/2008 21:24,stupidarmz123,care to elaborate?
4/16/2008 21:24,xcrunner08,which leads me to my next question of how often do you get turned down from classes in general?
4/16/2008 21:24,HARVARD_MichaelR,Wow ... can I take theory of food!
4/16/2008 21:24,Harvard_Rose,"Haha, my sweatdrop's the semi-colon: ^_^;;"
4/16/2008 21:24,Harvard_Jessica,stu: depends on the professor; some are really accessible
4/16/2008 21:25,Harvard_Jessica,stu: but i think you'll hear that about just about any big research univ.
4/16/2008 21:25,HARVARD_ProfessorManoharan,stu: I just took four undergrads on a trip to NY last weekend
4/16/2008 21:25,Harvard_Rose,YES!!! I love my professors!!
4/16/2008 21:25,KTC,(NY ftw!)
4/16/2008 21:25,HARVARD_DeanDahleh,there are very few limitied enrollment courses in engineering and applied sciences
4/16/2008 21:25,Harvard_Rose,"We talk all the time in office hours, in class, random encounters!"
4/16/2008 21:25,xcrunner08,cool
4/16/2008 21:25,bwilco,professor manoharan what do you teach if you don't mind me asking?
4/16/2008 21:25,ravenguild08,i think having professors in this chatroom is a good indication already too
4/16/2008 21:25,Harvard_Jean,"xc: most classes are not lotteried...  usually only really large, popular core classes, visual arts courses, and seminar courses are limited enrollment--but often if you are really interested in something little will prevent you from taking it.  (unless i"
4/16/2008 21:25,HARVARD_ProfessorZickler,stu: i teach a grad-level course in compuer vision...about half the enrolled students are undergrads
4/16/2008 21:25,HARVARD_MichaelR,"engineering in particular is ""open doors"""
4/16/2008 21:25,xcrunner08,can one do engineering without having done Phys C in high school?
4/16/2008 21:25,Harvard_Jean,(or never... depending on how well you schedule?)
4/16/2008 21:25,Harvard_Jessica,i happen to like a lot of my profs.
4/16/2008 21:25,yanniskb,"can i ask sth about the preorientation programs? I am thinking FUP but everybody keeps telling me I should go FIP as im an international,, Do you know whether FIP is so important for internationals? Has anyone been on one of those?"
4/16/2008 21:25,Harvard_Jessica,xc: yes
4/16/2008 21:25,stupidarmz123,What about the accusations that TF's teach an unusual amount of classes?
4/16/2008 21:25,HARVARD_ProfessorManoharan,bwilco: i teach thermodynamics this semester.
4/16/2008 21:26,Harvard_Rose,I did FUP!
4/16/2008 21:26,Harvard_Jessica,stu: where did you hear that?
4/16/2008 21:26,sarahfc,as for FIP
4/16/2008 21:26,Harvard_Jean,stu: no TFs do lectures
4/16/2008 21:26,yanniskb,Rose: would you recommend?
4/16/2008 21:26,KTC,"what are the preorientation programs, exactly? I am confused by all of these acronyms."
4/16/2008 21:26,sarahfc,how do I register for it
4/16/2008 21:26,xcrunner08,cuz i have had some bad math teachers but am not averse to the idea of some engineering
4/16/2008 21:26,xcrunner08,so in essence gotta catch up on the calculus
4/16/2008 21:26,Harvard_Jean,"teaching fellows teach section every week, but only in the intro ec course (to my knowledge) do they have a teaching role."
4/16/2008 21:26,xcrunner08,how good is the bc course equivalent?
4/16/2008 21:26,Harvard_Jean,"section is when people do example problems, etc."
4/16/2008 21:26,Harvard_Jessica,"xc: yeah, you can start at whatever level you prefer"
4/16/2008 21:26,